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(I could submit a recommendation when the time comes. :p)

:3

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she's typing

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bes quiet

So, I’m not interested right now in adding more people to my project, but if you wanted to build something as an external app, that sounds like a neat project. The tracker supports hot reload.

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So it could still be a pretty nice workflow.

Yeah its mostly just something where I'd take the knowledge they already know

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and having my layout editor output in your format instead of mine

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of course I may have questions for you at some point

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not really asking for source access, mostly because I only really know python and i'm sure you're not crazy enough to be also writing it in python

There's quite a few pack developers in here who are learning the syntax, myself one of them.

that's cool

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so I will absolutely have to talk with you guys

About 10 of us with published ones in the app. Others I'm sure are available online.

because i know nothing about this

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def would be willing to collab with y'all

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even if it only generates like 90% of what you need and you have to maybe hand-edit some things

Sounds good to me! (edited)

you guys have any documentation on how the stuff works?

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obviously I need somewhere to start

Documentation is being written. I got most of my learnings from cracking open Fouton's Items-Only ALttPR pack, Emo's Open ALttPR pack and SauceRelic's Metroid pack.

gotcha

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yeah i may have to do something like that

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and just wing it

You can download those from the Package Manager.

it'll be open source so anyone else who knows python in general is absolutely free to contribute too

I wish emo's tracker was written in python.

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then it might be cross platform.

So many locations. >.<

C# is cross platform, WPF - the very powerful UI framework I use - is not

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There’s a reason it’s written the way it is, in the environment it is, by the person it is, at the quality it is

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Cross platform support is, frankly, more work than it’s worth given the user base

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Side note - python becomes a giant pain in the ass once a code base grows beyond a certain size

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I deal with python at work all the time

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It’s the wrong choice for this

(For the record, my complaint is just all the locations present in the crossover.)

I wasn’t responding to your message

10-4

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Also, hi. :D

yeah I like python either way :P

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Its fun to figure out wtf i'm doing with pyqt and whatnot

I run websites on Python

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It's a very good experience for webdev tbqh

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Depending on your framework

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But there's some AMAZING lightweight ones out there

My GDQ plague ridden brain’s point is primarily that I’m not interested in debating the environment in which I build the tracker here, not that python isn’t useful for plenty of things. (edited)

Congratulations, this discord is now big enough to get spambots.

con...grats?

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lol

Apparently I can't ban from my phone? Nice job, Discord.

Rip

We’ve had a few spam bots. I’ve deleted a few messages before.

Congratulations, the moderation of this discord is on-point.

tbf ive had a spam bot on a 30 person serve

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i assume they trawl twitter and join discord links

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since it was withen 5 minutes of me tweeting out a discord link

name me one thing there isn't a twitter crawler for

:off-topics: or something

so im guessing that the blue "visually checkable" locations on the OoT maps basically means "gossip stone hint available"

Yes, there's nothing you can physically see without getting it, so that's all it can be at the moment

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I think there's going to be an option for standing heart pieces to show as what they actually are, but that won't even change all that much

i could see it helping for things like the ones in zoras river you need to bring the chicken along to reach

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or the cow cage one in kakariko (edited)

Unless I'm misremembering those locations, that's a little bit weird though, because the key difference is that blue locations are not actually accessible.

Depends on how the notations are set for access rules. The “make it blue” definitions should probably come later than the “make it yellow/green” definitions. I think I have some of mine backwards and they never change from being blue since they return true for the blue ones first.

It doesn't really work that way

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It returns the highest available accessibility level

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Regardless of ordering

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Unless there's a bug, which is possible, but I'm dubious and would want to see examples first

I'm pretty certain in OOT trackers blue means you can get a hint, while if it's not blue (yellow/green), then you can get it (with or without sequence breaking)

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At least that has been my experience

That's how it currently works since you can't see what any item is before getting it, other than through hints. That could change if standing heart pieces are able to be changed to show what item they are. However, I don't believe there's too many cases of being able to see what an item is but not being able to reach it. The heart piece in the windmill is one, but it can be sequence broken, so it would show up as yellow instead of blue.

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I suppose it would be blue on the child map if you don't use the Open Door option. Can you get up there as a kid? (edited)

I don't think so, altough you can use boomerang after stepping on the same gray thing adult uses for the skip

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And if I'm not too mistaken that's also a sequence break

I removed all the blue indicators from mine because they just make lots of locations orange unnecessarily

18:55

unless they add visually checkable items there's no reason to show blue

is someone working on a windwaker package right now? andyThinking

andyThinking

Yes. See #suggestions .

ah sweet

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also good job on that map tracker mike

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that looks phenomenal

Thanks!

I had to delay a bit due to an unexpected commentary gig, but FYI this will be happening today, starting sometime between 8:30 and 9:30 PM EDT. Please stop by! https://twitter.com/EmoSaru/status/1015441187866415105

EmoSaru (@EmoSaru)

TOMORROW, I'm going to do a long EmoTracker dev stream, working down my list of small fixes (and one big feature). If you've got small'ish feature requests or questions, come hang out - it's possible that I might just take care of it on stream if it's reasonable.

How does a pack get added to the list of available packs to install? Is it based on popularity/demand?

Preety sure it was made easier then ever if you are a pack dev to add it to the list (edited)

If it was based on popularity or demand, then my LADX pack wouldn't be there.

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I believe Emo's goal is to make all finished packs available from the package manager. I assume you're wanting to publish your Z1/Metroid pack and I agree it should be added.

@MetalMachine if you’ve built a pack that you feel is ready for distribution, please DM me.

@EmoSaru Cool. I will later today. Out running some errands.

having problem loading the EmoTracker with the auto patch. keeps saying "Unable to load DLL "Lua52"". after googling, it said i likely needed to update VC, so, i've just finished updating windows and VC and it still has the same error. any suggestions?

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Emo’s planning to work on a fix for that. Unintended behavior.

so, i'm just stuck for now? fair enough - this stuff happens when creating programs. hope for a quick fix. not been able to run OOT rando for 4 days now

Please try updating again manually now. You may need to run the installer manually... http://www.emosaru.com/emotracker/live/emotracker_setup.exe

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@Winry88268

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Please report here and let me know if this fixed it for you.

it launched fine, thank you ❤

Excellent! Sorry about the temporary issue - a 3rd party library I integrated did not properly document its dependencies, and it's harder to test for that sort of thing on my dev machine.

no worries. the only slight complaint is it didnt create a desktop launch icon when i asked it to, and the previous launch icons still error (edited)

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but, i can manually launch it, so its not a big issue

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also, sorry i didnt see the core-bugs channel before for reporting in, or the support area at all... my bad

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i thought they were voice channels for some reason

That is... strange

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When you say "previous launch icons" and "manually launch" what do you mean by those specifically? (edited)

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By "manually launch" do you mean from the start menu?

previous desktop shortcuts still bring up the LUA error

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i cant seem to make it generate a shortcut icon

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so, i'm launching it from the start menu/cortana since i'm not sure how else to launch it

Hmm, creating a desktop shortcut worked for me just now. Not sure what the issue there might be.

i tried to drag the icon to desktop from the "recent used" list and that shortcut generated the LUA error

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okay... ive no idea whats wrong now...

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i can't relaunch the app without the error again

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i'm gonna uninstall and reinstall again

Okay, please report back, because that is very strange. I just tested all the flows here and I believe they're working.

oh god dammit Comodo... even when i exit comodo it still sandboxes installs -.-

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it's all working fine for me. my overzealous security, as per usual

Is there a patch to get rid of the bomb? I've noticed some runners not having the bomb on their tracker. And I know they're running the same tracker I am

you can change up your broadcast layout by exporting an override #customization-support

my hero

Very dumb question, but how do you update from within the program? I can't find anything that resembles Check For Updates or anything like that...

under the little cog symbol where you choose which tracker you use

Close all emotracker windows and restart it, 1.7.0 also has check for updates like goddess said

options areL Layout, Tracking, Packages, Check for Update

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but yeh, think that option is newish

Weird, not for me

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Yeah thats new in 1.7.0, just restart emotracker and a box should pop up

If I close it, will it reset the tracking?

Yes it will. I would do it once you're done, the new update won't change much for you

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It mostly affects pack developers and what they can do

Thanks :)

For collectibles is it possible to add 10 at once instead of clicking 10 times?

possible for pack authors (or yourself with overrides) to implement that to an item, yeah

yea some packs have options for that, but I think he means like the built in counter having a 10 step option. making 10 count images isn't too bad, though

Emo implemented that with the latest update

natively or just through the LUA? tried adding a JSON "step" attribute that did nothing

natively, she apparently just didn't write it in the patch notes, lemme check

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it's called increment

well, cool

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/282358410?t=56m55s

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pretty hype for the SM folks as far as I understand

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for missile counts

@NeoYggdrasill that was added to the most recent update. you'll have to export an override for the items, then add a

"increment": 10

attribute to whatever item you're trying to increment

it should be noted that you might have to delete and re-add this modification if that pack gets updated, as changes to the items made by a pack author likely means that the pack breaks if you keep your "old" override around

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or you can just ask the pack author to either implement the increment baseline or add an additional item that has the increment, so you can use it in a layout override

Yeah this is gonna be super useful for Metroid packs, gonna implement it in mine soon

Sorry, missed that change in the notes, yeah

just sneak edit it in Kappa

Kappa

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and claim we are all blind

The bots that get here are really after a rather specific public

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Hm. So I'm playing LttP random and using the default/official Open Mode (v28) tracker, and I have access to the Dark World with the items I've selected (both the Hammer and the Power Glove to access the portal near Kakariko Village) but the tracker says that none of the Dark World chests are accessible. Am I just missing a setting or something, or is this an error in the tracker? (I also don't think I have access to anything else without the use of glitches/sequence breaks so this is my only option for progression)

Do you have moon pearl selected?

...oh

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pft

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That might explain it

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xD

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Thanks. Guess I just forgot to do that. xD

For someone who has no experience messing with the packages, how easy would it be to create something that ONLY displays dungeon chest counters? I'm curious in having something like this when I'm tracking tournament matches, and it seems like a good way to keep track of dungeon chest counts in case viewers ask about it.

Easy

I'll try to mess around with it then and figure it out. Guess I just use one of the current available packages as a base and go from there?

Well, maybe not easy if you have no experience with messing. If you're used to editing any markup stuff, (html, xml), the tracker format is pretty intuitive.

I have no experience whatsoever. I might just ask someone with experience if they could throw something together in that case, or try to get to it this weekend sometime. (Or maybe I should admit I just take this tracking gig a bit too seriously, barbLUL

barbLUL

) (edited)

My OoT packs have dungeon chest counts, so you could look at the items.json in one of those packs to get an idea of how it's formatted.

That would help for sure. Thanks!

Yeah it's pretty simple to look at this code. If you just experiment with what's in somebody else's pack you can learn really fast

^ I had literally zero experience in JSON (and very little coding in general). I can attest that it is very easy to pick it up by just looking at the code for another tracker!

Same, had no experience and made the first version of my SM pack in a week

Agreed.. I modded a ff4 FE pack and just goofed around in it

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You kinda see a pattern over time that you have to follow and what works and what doesn't

Welcome to programming, where everyone goof around

whats LOZMX?

The first Zelda

LOZMX is a crossover rando with Zelda 1 and Metroid.

that

http://www.metalmachine.info/home/lozmx

Legend of Zelda / Metroid Crossover - MetalMachine

Legend of Zelda / Metroid

knew what loz was but didn't knw the mx stand for but thx guys

I am curious about something. So my attention span isn't that great, so I was wondering can you on EmoTracker 'save' a current run. Meaning chests selected and items or do I have to like take a screenshot and manually put it back in next time I start it up ?

Screenshot and manually put it back for now, with the new randomizer like oot being often 5h+ long emo is thinking maybe of adding a save option

That would be wonderful. And yeah I would use it for the OoT rando. Lttp I can mostly keep my attention up for the 'whole' run but OoT is something entirely different :P.

also #faq

also based on your last post your attention span is quite typical with most players

Will you take this Pokémon Ja or Nein?

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#off-topic

Oh sorry

no linux, bye

insufficient user base, annoying UI frameworks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MsvER1dpjM (edited)

Demi Lovato - Sorry Not Sorry

https://giphy.com/gifs/bye-goodbye-the-little-rascals-GB0lKzzxIv1te

It's not like this program is so complicated you can't just run it in wine

I think they were running it in whine.

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"Save/load primarily impacts new players, and new players don't stay new forever."

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What's the idea behind this?

@Gilgatex wine actually struggles with this due to the fact that it’s a WPF application and uses things outside of the Silverlight subset.

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And @SanKojima, the idea behind this is that it’s true. Or at least it was. For a player of moderate skill, most randomizer runs that we had packs for were single session games. (edited)

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This is changing now, to some extent, with long randomizers like OoT and WW.

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Which is why I’m considering adding the feature to accommodate those games.

Emo if you build functionality into your trackers that beep at me 30 mins after i miss a location so i can stop losing tourney matches, ill pick up the tracker for my streams

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andy1

andy2

So just set it to continuously beep 30 minutes after the race starts?

Lol.

Lol

How many small keys are needed to complete MM in keysanity?

full complete or boss complete?

Full i guess since im new to keysanity

I'm pretty sure only 1

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0 for go mode

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because you can pick up keys under the pot in the spike room and from the blue guy in the switch room (edited)

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and the switch room key door is the only required door open for full clear

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wait... so that's 0

Oh thats good gonna get some beer and run some keysanitys tonight just got emosarus tracker to help out

I've found this page super useful for planning when it comes to keys: https://maplequeensaku.weebly.com/news/legend-of-zelda-a-link-to-the-past-randomizer-dungeon-item-locations-guide

LEGEND OF ZELDA: A LINK TO THE PAST RANDOMIZER Dungeon ITEM LOCATI...

In continuation of my last blog post where I showed all the overworld locations in the game where you can obtain items, we have our latest edition: The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past Randomizer...

Hmm says nr of keys but not how many u need in keysanity to complete.. IP requires 0 small keys with the bomb jump?

yeah it's just useful to figure it out own your own. IP requires 0 small keys but 1 is strongly recommended if you don't want to have to do a lot of backtracking

@Lotheandra https://pastebin.com/WDvqvqHP

Keysanity key usage/requirements guide - Pastebin.com

dab

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After a long three weeks of development, my Wind Waker Item/Map tracker is finally released! You can find it on the package manager. Be sure to select your settings using the Settings tab or nothing will show as accessible. As this is the first release, there are sure to be errors that need to be fixed. If you find any, you can either ping me in #pack-support or send me a DM. I will try to get everything found fixed! Things to note. Choosing to use Treasure Charts will unlock every square's treasure. This is in case you choose the "Randomize Charts" option. I may add another toggle for this later down the road. Also, huge shoutouts to @Spleebie for the Triforce piece layout, and for all the other help he gave me.

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hi, is there a linux version? Does some1 use wine?

No linux version and apparently it is sorta not great with wine because it is WPF based

Doing ALTTP / Super Metroid run, v10, normal difficulty. Emotracker is showing that the King's Tomb is not accessible yet, but I am able to get back there with hammer, mirror, pearl, pegasus boots, glove 1. Glove 2 is inside the tomb. (apologies if this is the wrong place to post this!)

If that's my pack, make sure it's the most current version. I updated it earlier today with a fix for that. (edited)

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In the future #pack-support is a better place

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as it's a pack issue, not an app issue

much appreciated! Thanks for all your work!

anyone have a download link to a kyesanity tracker?

I'm going to point and laugh at you now, but mostly because you didn't specify for what Zelda game.

Are you looking for a keysanity pack in EmoTracker or just looking for another tracker in general?

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All of EmoTracker's packs can be downloaded from within EmoTracker itself. Check out #welcome, #announcements or #faq for a link to the tracker. If you're looking for another tracker, this document has a good list. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1s8-pLnWt5KTis60GUFHz5hxmWy_evbe3_YrpjAY5uh4/edit#gid=1055183448

ALttP Community Development Resources

Primary Resources Resource Name, Resource VT Version, Resource Link, Resource Developer, Resource Domain, Resource Function, References VT' s ALttPR Generator, N/ A, http:// alttpr. com/, Veetorp, Veetorp' s Domain, Generate a Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past Randomizer...

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Oh, it should be noted that those trackers are for Zelda: A Link to the Past.

hello everybody, but since im a computernoob im just gonna ask anyways

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im trying to get oot rando to work, and the only thing that im lacking right now is the map with all the locations, i donwloaded the zip file, unzipped it, but there is no executable file that would open the map itself ...

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help is very appreciated

23:31

sorry i wrote it into the support channel now

how do i download for super metroid

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sorry its like super convoluted and i cnt find it

Once you've installed EmoTracker, click

-> Packages -> Manage Packages. The window that opens is called the package manager and contains links to all the published packs. Just click the install button for the pack you'd like to use and EmoTracker will automatically download it and save it to the proper location.

16:30

The packages are grouped by author. For Super Metroid, you'll want SauceRelic's pack. (edited)

There should also be a downwards arrow in the title bar (for download), which also opens the package manager.

hey

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do they have emotracker

they?

wayment

Are you looking for the installer? Check the very top of #faq

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I have "enable map" checked, but how do i get the map to show?

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I tried F11 but nothing

Some packs do not have maps. If there is a map, you would hit

-> Layout -> Enable Map

Hi. This might not be the place for this question, apologies in advance. Can anyone remind me where the setting is in snes9x to allow for joypad movement when the window isn't in front? (eg: marking tracker while moving.)

its enable background input under input isnt it? and making sure you dont have pause when inactive ticked under emulation (edited)

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Exactly as Nuresto said. I suppose #off-topic probably woulda been the preferred place for this.

Also make sure "Pause When Inactive" under Emulation is not checked.

Where do you see the input option? I don't have that setting

Menu bar at the top?

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If that's missing, try Escape iirc

That I see... but nowhere I see an option called background input

Should be... about the third item down the menu list?

... Could it be that my emulator is outdated?

...yep... outdated...

As it is not a bug, but more a missing chests: JCPacks ATLLP Randomizer - Overworld Glitches - Open Mode (V29) The four normal chests in Blind's House in Kakariko are missing (edited)

For feedback on specific packs, #pack-support is the preferred place. Also try to @ the creator if you can. They're all here.

any idea when well see FF1 tracker?

As soon as somebody decides to build/publish one! The vast majority of EmoTracker packs are built by community members, not me. If you're interested in build one yourself, #customization-support is a good place to get started.

would like to but building these kind of things would be a headache for me too understand

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probably can understand the basics but anything else would probably go way over my head

Honestly, it's not that bad. Just open up the code for someone else's pack and poke around the code and play with it a bit. It's really not that bad, especially if you're only going for an item tracker. I had little coding experience before making my tracker (and 0 JSON experience) and I think mine came out just fine.

Just give it a try!

@Kirito Are you looking for just a simple item tracker or are you looking for a full map/location tracker?

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The problem with FF1 and the map/location tracker is that there are SO many options in that randomizer. It would be hard to implement.

ah

With current and upcoming features, it might be a bit easier to make though. After all, we have the wind waker pack, and that has a ton of options too.

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But I don't know anything about FF1 Rando, so I don't know what sort of features would be needed.

Certainly right now, with tabs and expressions, it would be easy to have a "settings" tab added to the item tracker area, where you can cram lots of little settings toggles

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the location logic would be a nightmare, I'm sure, but you could do it and it wouldn't be a terrible user experience (edited)

my oot map tracker has 6 settings in a separate group by now, because testrunner added so many settings to the rando monkaS

monkaS

OOT tracker?

If you install EmoTracker, you can find them in the Package Manager.

this may be a silly question, but where do i download the tracker?

In resources

I can't get it from the download link right now - I keep getting a failed - no file error

the link in hte FAQ gives me this

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^^^^

let me look into it

Oh I was think this was a different discord server lol

any chance someone can ping me if the download is available again? i'll go set up the rest of my randimzer stuff until then

silly question

@EmoSaru You think I can put the download in here I still have mine from download awhile ago

you can try

why is there no voice chat

Rip too big of a file

There's no voice chat because this is a gigantic server and I don't have the time or the staff to deal with the moderation issues voice comes with.

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FYI, I got the error once, but then I was just able to download the installer.

13:43

Please try again.

13:43

I'm going to look into alternative hosting soon.

okay, thanks, its working now

soo, question about using this

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i'm trying to play a OoT randomizer with this tracker

14:29

when i right click one of the map locations, it disappears, any option to get that back without resetting the entire thing?

F11 will toggle displaying all locations, whether completely inaccessible or already marked off.

14:30

This is currently the only way to undo an accidental marking.

The "Undo" function is a ways off in development

oh, thank you

14:31

any more useful keybinds i should be aware of before i get into this?

Emo has listed the keyboard shortcuts in #faq.

thank you

what are those boxes for?

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have you tried clicking one?

i know i can put items in those, just wondering what the purpose of that would be

20:58

still have to add those to the actual tracker, right?

20:59

or are those locations you can get hints for?

in the case of OOT, when you get hints, you can mark what item is there without clearing it

20:59

when you clear the chest there, it will auto-track that item for you

yeah, that makes sense

20:59

should have thought of the hints

yep if you find the stone of agony you can talk to the gossip stones and get hints. It's random per seed so you won't always get hints for those two, but you might

22:41

late reply, sorry

anyone knw where i can find a tracker for la mulana rando?

I'll be honest, the very concept of that spooks me. La-Mulana is already a nightmare.

the game ain't that bad if i'm honest

22:19

spookiest game i played probably would be corpse party @Natalie (edited)

Not the kind of spook I mean.

22:20

La-Mulana is already an exploration and secrets fest.

22:20

And... not the fun kind, either.

Are you looking for a location tracker or an item tracker, Kirito?

item tracker

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thx

That's more of a question for #off-topic, I think.

oh

22:24

woops

22:25

but thx anyways for the tracker @JRJathome

Yeah, just in general, I would prefer we don’t link to competing trackers, except in cases where they’re being used as examples for eg #suggestions. That said, I’d love for somebody to build a pack for the game.

(edited)

Oh. Sorry.

how does big goron quest work in randomzier?

That is most certainly a question for the Ocarina of Time Randomizer discord.

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alright thanks

Just wondering, does anyone know the tracker that AttackingTucans used?

it's a screencap of TR's online tracker

@dotzo Is that TestRunner's web-based tracker that you're talking about?

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If it's the one for ALttPR, there are some packs in EmoTracker that support that game.

17:44

There are also Ocarina of Time EmoTracker packs available. It seems however that there may not yet be one for Breath of the Wild.

yea it was

I find that the Broadcast View in EmoTracker is invaluable with being able to grab the source and stream it. Fortunately, the ALttPR packs available for EmoTracker are close in representation to the other application.

the moment u realize u have every base item besides ice, light arrows, a 4th bottle and nayrus love

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well i still need goron tunic, kukri sword, and hover boots but im not talking about that tab

You don't need those

13:55

You just need Light Arrows and you're good

Hover Boots are a good safety for the trials, though. So there's that.

is there like an instruction manual for the icons ? I don't know what the white diamond shaped icon is below the wallet

Which pack

keysanity map and item

14:14

Also what is GC, BOTW, GF and GTG

14:15

Goron city, bottomw of the well, great forest and .....

no

14:16

Ganon's Castle, bottom of the well, Gerudo Fortress and Gerudo Training Ground

Oh ok

14:16

Those don't have keys lol

14:17

the first 3 dungeons

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Well wish me luck

14:19

And that white diamond shaped tablet besides the notes and below the wallet?

14:21

Also what do the question marks do above the locs?

the question marks can you switch which medaillion you get in that dungeon

I see

The "white diamond shape" is the "Gerudo symbol"

14:23

it's meant to symbolize the bridge being fixed

oh cool. I thought it was Rutos note

14:23

its in the bottle ones

https://puu.sh/Bgu5Q.png

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14:24

Is this your item list?

14:24

Give or take?

yes exactly this

I have Ruto's Letter in a bottle here.

14:25

The white diamond with the wrench over it is the Gerudo symbol.

Yeah makes sense

14:26

But why are there shadow and fire symbols over gtg

The last three are the Forest, Fire, and Water child dungeons (they will appear below their location labels in the narrow version of the item list)

14:27

here you can see I completed Jabu-Jabu's Belly and received a Shadow/Spirit Medallion (functionally identical, you need two to trigger a certain event)

14:27

The always-bright question mark signifies Link's Pocket starting stone/medallion. Here I started with Light Medallion.

I started with water

You can learn which stones and medallions are where by investigating the Spiritual Stone plaque in the Temple of Time (child gets stone hints, adult gets medallion hints)

but yeah that doesn't matter since I haven't cleared a dungeon

Once you learn that, you can right click to toggle through the dungeon completion rewards to remind yourself.

14:29

Left clicking will toggle ownership of the item.

That's good. HInts will help me

Speaking of hints, if you click on the Stone of Agony, then blue squares will show up on the map. These squares represent locations which have specific hint text which may appear on Gossip Stones, and you can mark down which items appear there as you encounter the appropriate hint.

So I need to use the gossip stones as well in this game?

As long as you have Hints enabled, the Gossip Stones will tell you things about the game. There are junk hints, bad hints, good hints (specific descriptions of locations), and guaranteed hints (Big Poes, all skulltula rewards from 30 up, other annoying things)

14:33

More details in the OoT Randomizer discord for those who ask.

I think I turned hints off in my settings

14:34

Cool thanks for the help. I think I'm armed with knowledge to do this rom hack

You've made the right choice choosing to use any tracker at all. Randomizers can be an... experience.

I like how skulltula locations pop up on the map

14:36

I don't need to know where every damn one of them is anymore

You'll learn. Trust me, you'll learn. Especially when you move up to Tokensanity, which adds skulltula locations and rewards to the global shuffle.

14:37

(Light Arrows on a skulltula, anyone?)

I think I activated that option as well.

holy.... that sound difficult

All skulltulas give random stuff

14:37

even keys I guess

Keysanity is... well, you guys know Keysanity. Keys etc. can appear anywhere, not just their dungeons.

14:38

Songsanity adds songs and their twelve locations to the global item shuffle.

14:38

Now mix all three together.

oh boy

Biggoron crafts Ganon's Castle Boss Key, a skulltula has your Light Arrows, and thr Big Poes reward is a skulltula token.

holy crap

Oh, and Sheik teaches you the Mirror Shield at Kakariko Village.

So big poes can be found anywhere as well

Nope.

14:40

Big Poes are still in their same old locations.

14:40

The reward for turning all ten in is a valid item location in the global shuffle.

Wouldn't it be chaotic though

14:41

Ok I see

So you could have... Zelda's Lullaby on the big poes reward in Songsanity.

14:41

Happy hunting!

Thanks I'll try to keep my sanity

14:42

But it's worth trying

Every OoT rando player should try it once.

how do i turn the map tracker on

Some packs don't have a map. Make sure the one you're using has a map. The map should be showing by default.

oh ok

17:44

thanks

17:46

what do i hit if i wanna switch to dark world

What pack are you using?

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In that pack, both maps are visible at all times

17:47

There is no switching

17:47

The dark world locations will light up as you get access to them

i mean, the item locations

17:48

oh ok

17:48

as i get items, more places show up

Correct

If you want all locations to always show, just press F11

so what are the color codes

17:49

green is accessible, i can tell that though (edited)

Emo has answered that and more over at #faq.

17:50

Blue Visually checkable, but not accessible Green Fully accessible Yellow Accessible via sequence break/allowed glitches, or in dungeons, potentially clearable without being able to check every chest Red Inaccessible Orange Partially accessible - some portions are accessible, but some are inaccessible. Grey Cleared

(edited)

ok

Darn Discord formatting.

hate it too

17:51

but thanks for help

uh i accidentally left clicked a spot on death mountain... is there a way like ctrl z it back?

Press F11 to show all locations. Then click on the location you want to undo and right-click the chest.

thanks

i just got hookshot and then tempered straight in a row from tower of hera

is it possible to get extra keys and extra big keys on keysanity?

19:31

its the second dark palace big key i get, and i got like 4-5 keys to dark palace and picked up 3 more in it

if it's keysanity, that's what it sounds like

19:34

extra keys for everything

Keys are shuffled. There's no duplicates

If you're on Keysanity, there's one big key for each dungeon. There's small keys up to the standard amount for each dungeon. You may find that there are more than what you need if you use the keys in a pattern that is efficient. This is better-suited for the ALttPR Discord as well.

don't unlock the left door in skullwoods with big chest, it goes no where, also the locked room above the holes and statues (edited)

Small Key door left of the Big Chest does go somewhere. It's just redundant in regards to the fact that you can fall into that section without needing the door.

it doesn't go anywhere useful

19:52

is what i mean

19:53

but yea

There's two item locations in there, so, it's useful yet redundant.

im still getting more keys to dark palace tough O-o

The second Small Key door you describe doesn't have a chest behind it, nor super-useful stuff like a full magic refill.

could the game say dark palace but it means somewhere else?

uh no.. in keysanity it'll say which dungeon said key goes to

"Dark Palace" is "Palace of Darkness."

the one that says DP is that one dark palace?

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DP is "Desert Palace."

pod is the far right side

OOOOOOOOOOOOOO

19:55

it has DP and PD

dp is lw

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"Dark Palace" is referred to as such in-game because "Palace of Darkness" is too long to print on the screen.

that doesnt match anymore then

dp is desert palace

Actually, Dark Palace is the original name.

what key goes to what ahahahah

It's more commonly known as PoD since DP is already taken.

All the junk in there is numbered anyway.

19:56

You're expected to know the default numbering.

19:56

Keysanity is an advanced way to play.

so then could the game be telling me dark palace for both dungeon ?

No.

19:56

"Dark Palace" != "Desert Palace."

hmmkaayy

19:57

i completed desert so any keys i have that i may be confusing with dp pod would be pod

Desert is L2 and PoD/DP is D1.

19:58

So, you have 3 Palace of Darkness/Dark Palace keys.

if PoD is D1, i would be showing more than 3 keys by now

Have you been there? Have you used your PoD keys?

i went in

Did you open any doors?

i have exactly 1k rupees lol

a few

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how many keys can pod have total?

19:59

6?

So. Not sure if you knew, but, when you use the keys, the number decreases. mindblown

4 or 5 including big key i think

20:00

sounds right

i couldnt go past where i was cuz i need a bow

go through middle door at entrance if you can

PoD has 6 small keys. You have 3 in your inventory. How many did you use?

im sure i used more than 3...

he probably didn't open entrance middle

Guessing your key usage in insufficient for counting how many you've got left to find.

20:02

Regardless, you need to return after you find the bow.

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he's unlocked most of the locked doors

20:03

nemesis, show 1st

20:03

that might be where your problem is

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idk

20:03

you might have 2 or 3 left

That looks like Mire.

yea i was about to say

im at the desert

20:04

lower left of map

You're at the desert in the dark world. That's Misery Mire.

i realized as i was looking for entrance

ehhhhhh

1F shows the layout of 1st room in mire

PoD would say "Level 1" at the top.

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20:05

i need the bow, i need the fire rod, i need the cane of somaria

20:06

i also need more keys to swamp

already completed pod?

20:06

you don't really need bow to clear pod

20:06

nor any of the others in dw

the forest one isnt completed..??

Hey guys. This discussion is moving into generic rando help instead of EmoTracker help.

Bow is logically-required for PoD and the statue is required. Yep. Up there I said it was more-suited for the ALttPR server.

and yet you're joining in mike lol

uhh okay sry

sooo off topic?

im going to rando alttp

Yeah. #off-topic would be fine. Or the alttpr server.

It could have been an issue with the counts if they were using a Keysanity tracker, so, partially-related. Sort of.

,oh off topic then

Thanks guys.

Any way to install EmoTracker to somewhere specific? Other than the default

u can just change the install location when u go to install it

..Nope

16:03

Only the option to create a desktop shortcut

after u install it cut and paste to where u want it

GWchadThonkery

Alright then

I don't recommend doing that, because it will cause issues when installing updates or uninstalling

16:04

as in, things won't work properly

16:04

and you'll end up with craziness

Also it created it's own Snes9x folder in D:\Games, THEN put emotracker there

16:05

As confusing of a path that is, It's not C:\

what?

16:06

EmoTracker setup definitely does not create a Snes9x folder

Well it did..

Yeah, I don't think so.

Third time's the charm

The only other folder it creates is an EmoTracker folder in your Documents directory

WHAT IS THIS INSTALLER

16:07

The first two times it gave no setup path, but now it does

16:07

The first time it installed to C:\ ... \Documents

16:08

It works now, but jeez

You are confused

16:08

The program is not installed to Documents

16:08

Howver there is an EmoTracker folder created there, which is where packs you download go, along with overrides

Well, alright

16:08

Where did it install to the first time..

I couldn't speculate, because I have no idea what you're doing

I'm using the installer

When you are upgrading an existing installation of the tracker, you will not be prompted for an install path

16:09

because it is upgrading

16:09

if you haven't installed the tracker before, you are prompted

16:09

ergo

16:10

either you removed the files manually, uninstalled properly, or moved the files somewhere else manually and confused things

16:10

but they would likely have been in your Program Files directory, or wherever you chose to install it originally

What is a pug hud?

16:08

Also. Is there no way to save the tracker to resume later?

PugHud was a tracker made by @Fouton (PugHUD) before EmoTracker was created. Fouton has since discontinued PugHud and remade it for EmoTracker.

kelpEyes

1

16:27

And there isn't currently a way to save the tracker for later.

16:27

Emo said she'd look into it since some of the randomizers take quite a bit longer to finish compared to aLttP.

I started reconsidering it when we got 4+ hour randomizers (like OOT rando). Since we now are dealing with 8+ hour randomizers (like WW rando), tracker save/load is officially on my roadmap. It's not in right now though, and I don't have a firm ETA.

andyHeart

1

That's great to hear! Thanks, @EmoSaru

16:52

Takes me a good 5-10 hours to do a SM/ALttP crossover run, though admittedly I am newb and I go for a full or nearly full clear ele5LOOT

ele5LOOT

For better or worse, depending on who you are, I tend to focus on the average time for experienced players when making decisions. Those times I quoted are for experienced players with common settings, so... yeah. It's going to happen.

Yah, that makes sense.

praise be save and load nice

I still don't want to do it - I blame the sillies who decided to build randomizers for necessarily ludicrously long games, lol.

thank you!

1

is there an MM randomizer? I like that game better

Not to the best of my knowledge, although I'm sure some crazies will do it

21:11

The logic there is pretty complicated though, with the cycles

The person that made zootr is making a new one I think (or people lol)

probably a way to make the song of double time, and inverted time, let you move the clock forward and backward in 1h increments, and just ignore the time limit entirely

there comes a point where the game is no longer similar enough to the original to justify its existence

There is a MM Rando, but from what I've heard, the logic isn't very good. Glitches are currently required to beat it.

oh interesting

21:14

the rando virus' spread continues unabated, I see

inb4 Marble Madness Randomizer. :p

Yes please

botw randomizer obviously

I’d actually hate that

the games already random, it was a joke

But we can make it more random! maxyyDerp

maxyyDerp

Breaking a tree trunk drops baked apples instead of wood.

^ Breaking open a rock gives you steak

dk64 randomizer :^)

21:24

every coloured banana is random

You could just swim through all the land and win

haha oh boy...

Rupees literally grow on trees. :p

Tetris Randomizer, once you place a block, it randomizes it shape

Minecraft randomizer

OoT/SM64 randomizer. Collecting a Star in SM64, gives you a random item in OoT.

I’d play it

work out a cross platform randomizer?

21:32

Z1, Z3, ZOoT randomizer ftl

More-realistically, a Banjo/Diddy Kong Racing/DK64/SM64 (a pair thereof) would work. Banjo's jiggies, DKR's access balloons, DK64's collectibles, SM64's Power Stars. They all work with collecting stuff to gain access to new areas based on the number of the stuffs you have.

Just thinking of ideas since the Metroid/ALttP one is a thing that exists.

Metroid 3 & ALttP. We've also got the Metroid 1 & Zelda 1.

cross platform would probably require a new emulator

21:35

would be kinda neat though

the only randomizer i even play is the oot one

22:07

so yay saving in my book

New here, where do I get the tracker? Is their a download link?

#faq

Thank you

So I'm in Ganon's Tower and I'm missing a key... On the tracker it says the spirit trial has two chests, but I can only find one?

its invisible

15:55

its in the corner by the torches and switch

Oh I see! Thank you very much

15:56

and yeah... it had my key ❤

Does the tracker have dungeon maps as well as over world?

18:47

Im still kinda figuring out how it all works but so far its been super helpful

That would depend on the pack/game, but in general, no.

Ok cool. I was talking about alttp

None of the LTTP packs do.

Cool thx

Hi, I was developing an html tracker to turn it into an apk for faster tracking but since im a jr developer, my app looks like crap now, maybe someone could help me?

This is not really the place to ask for help with developing other/competing trackers. (edited)

i need to know how racers do the speed up glitch.. idfk how they do it (edited)

That's not a question for here, though. That's something to look up in the discord for that game.

the speed up glitch

"the speed up glitch"

13:22

That's so hilariously vague that even if you asked the correct community they'd have no idea what you're talking about.

where they move faster than when they dash, idk what it's called...

what game....

alttp.. (edited)

https://alttp-wiki.net/index.php/Spindash

oh

13:26

ty

Again - not for this discord.

@Traylon Apologies for the direct call out, but as this has been becoming a pattern, please keep questions about the game in the game Discord.

13:36

We get occasional things where conversations drift into a bit of that here, and that’s manageable by and large, but there is no channel in this server that is for “teach me how to play insert game here” questions.

...sorry, but uhh where's the game discord you speak of?

if only there was a search engine people could use to find things

All of these randomizers have discords associated with them. In the case of lttp, it is https://discord.gg/fRGPCUm

13:39

I strongly recommend googling. If @Pack Developer folks want to dm me links to their games’ discords, I’m willing to provide a list in #faq

kelpHeck

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Gotcha... thank you!

hey for anyone thats played it does the wind waker randomizer have good logic?

I played a couple seeds. Didn't finish them, but it does seem like it's pretty good. Just time consuming is all, even with the swift sail mod.

Could ask the Wind Waker Randomizer discord what they think of it

17:27

I mean, we literally just got a link to that in #faq not that long ago

i feel people in the ww one would have a bit of bias

17:27

so i asked here

And if you asked the OoTR discord how they felt about the OoTR logic, they'd tell you it's pretty much fully stabilized and is completable without glitches

well that one i was willing to play regardless

17:28

im just on the fence about randomized wind waker

17:29

hell ive even played the majora randomizer with its awful logic

17:29

haha

...that's because it doesn't have logic

Wind Waker is pretty solid. It's a lot like the TR ZOOTR, minus as much customization, since the game has less collectables.

17:32

But, it has a dungeon randomizer, key-sanity, and I believe song randomization. It's definitely worth the look, but be prepared to be there for a LONG time if you play with key-sanity.

im not as familiar with wind waker as i am ocarina of time (edited)

17:39

ive only played through wind waker like 2 or 3 times my entire life

17:40

so deffinetly will not be playing keysanity (edited)

17:40

lol

I'd have to look at the randomizer again, but it is very friendly to newer players IIRC. I would just be very careful to read what each of the settings do before checking them.

was hoping ide eventually get a twilight princesss randomizer but i dont see that happening

17:42

lol

Twilight Princess HD rando is a thing I believe. Not GC/Wii versions though.

yea no real intrest in the hd version

Understandable. It's only playable on either a hacked system, which is almost impossible to do now with all of the system updates, or playing it on a pretty shotty emulator. (In my experience at least.) I absolutely believe we will see a TPRandom in the very near future though. No more than two years.

tphd runs fine on my pc. but i prefer using the gc version. cause texture packs/ shaders

17:46

i also want an actual majora randomizer

17:46

with actual logic

I also see that happening fairly shortly. The original OoT randomizer happened around the time of the MM one, so it's not too hard to believe a new one is in the works. (edited)

yea i remember the original oo9t. cant beleive it took me so long to find the new one its what ive always wanted lol. makes my fav game infinitely replayable

what was the original one like

17:48

im new sry

it had no logic

17:48

which means there was a high chance u would get stuck and couldnt proceed

oh so it was just completely random

17:48

wow that sucks

yes

As I recall, there were only two or three actual seeds as well. It was randomized based on your file name, and a lot of them were just the basic vanilla game. The other three seeds just gave you hookshots for every deku stick, or Zelda's Letter for every deku nut. It was 100% impossible to complete even the Deku Tree. When I heard of this new one, I was excited, but also shuddered at the memories.

i got alot more then 3 seeds when i played

holy shit i need one for MM

http://puu.sh/BjkQO/c6eaee55b9.jpg cant wait for that save option for the tracker. i end up just leaving it open when im doing a playthrough

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17:55

anyone else excited for oot online?

17:55

i cant wait to play the rando with friends

I remember that from way back when too. Somebody made a Four Swords hack that was... interesting, to say the least. Only player 1 could use ocarina, 2 could use bombs, 3 could use deku sticks/nuts, and 4 could use slingshot/boomerang/bow/hookshot. Or something along those lines. Fun, but hard as hell.

this new one is the definitive one (edited)

Yeah, I just looked it up. Haven't heard anything about it, but it looks great.

the rando + multiplayer equals dream come true

18:07

i wana do a thing where i play with keysanity and tokensanity and i have a friend whos a casual player of oot play through vanilla and we race

I'd offer, but I'm not much of a casual player. Not exactly a speed runner either, but I played through vanilla so much, I got bored of it. Now I just try to do a weird dungeon order whenever I play.

i wouldnt say im a speedrunner but i use the tricks in my casual playthroughs

18:10

like super sliding ect

That's one I never could get down. I did finally get vertical bomb hovering to work though. Navi dive was the first trick I ever used though.

super sliding was the first one i got

18:11

it looked so cool i was determined to do it

I tried forever on WiiVC. Never got damage clipping down either.

maybe its harder on that version? i wouldnt know since ive only played n64

18:13

i cant do it on 3ds but i think it might of got removed

18:13

never did check

Super sliding didn't, it's just much more awkward to pull off from what I've heard.

a port of the randomizer to the 3ds version would be nice

18:14

dat frame rate

I'm not holding my breath on that one. lol

18:15

Especially since it would pretty need to be played on console, due to how Citra works.

citras real good though

18:16

ive played through both oot and majora on it (edited)

No argument here. But, from what I've heard, it will randomly reallocate chunks of the games data for better stability or some other reason. Because of this, importing cheat codes is impossible, due to the memory address being relocated almost at a constant rate. I could see that heavily influencing a randomizer in a very negative way.

dsont the ranomizeer modify the game enternally though and build a new rom

18:18

that shouldnt effect it when being played

As we know it, sure. But with the 3DS roms being encrypted, and needing to decrypt them in some way, shape, or form, I think the randomizer will definitely take a long time to be built in that manner. I think we'd see the filename randomizer before we seen a rom randomizer. And that's not something anybody wants. Plus, since we have an OoT randomizer already, I'd say the demand for it is incredibly low. At least for now.

well the randomizer could just require and already decrypted rom

18:22

cuts out the encrypted part

18:23

i mostly just want it cause my graphics

18:23

but with online coming out i guess i wouldnt even play 3ds haha

What's this about OoT online? Are you supposed to be able to play in the same world and progress together?

yes u can

20:45

@Mikus64

what

20:45

thats freaking awesome

comes out like in a month or so

20:45

works with any rom of ocarina 1.0

20:45

so works with the rando aswell

Thats so cool!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzzKl1R1q_8&t=413s

Zelda: Ocarina of Time ONLINE | Co-Op Multiplayer MOD! - H4G

20:46

if u wana see footage

Sweet, I'll check it out now. I appreciate that.

Thats awesome, Shame none of my friends play oot.

wow thats sick

c4 ide be down to play\

20:47

whenever

Nice, Thanks.

Zelda battle royale POGGERS

NO

i wana race the rando

randomizer?

yea

i can do it now

i mean on online it would be fun

oh

20:48

But then

20:48

It wouldn't really work because either way both of you would get the same items, But it sounds intresting

u can turn off items sync

oh damn

20:48

Nice

20:49

That sounds awesome

very

20:49

u can also turn on pvp

20:49

so i can come stab the shit out of u if your about to bneat a dungoen

This is awesome

20:50

zelda oot is the new darksouls

dude could u imagine player invasion

Holy shit if someone recreated the dark souls world in OOT i would come

Oh god

20:50

yes please

20:50

#dancerofborealvalley in oot

it supports up to 64 players

20:50

so a battle royale

20:50

is possible

holy shit

20:51

how are items

20:51

shared?

u can turn off the sync

20:51

its an option to sync items

20:51

or leave them unsynced

oh my god so randomized multiplayer pvp is basically fortnite

i would love to join a 64 player server where everyone s just going through the game

like it saids 'You are being invaded by x' and just hears gannons laugh (edited)

hyrule field gonna be crowded

lol

20:53

but think about it

20:53

people will use glitches lol

super sliding all over the place

oh god

man im so excited for this

yeah same

20:54

ill probably use it for racing though

ill just use it to casually play through the same rando with a buddy

20:54

do co-op runs

yeah

co-op speed runs

20:55

that needs to become a thing

20:55

for vinella

20:55

co-op 100%

what if someone joins your game in the form of one of the sages

20:55

that'd be cool

i never knew how much i wanted this

ive always wanted multiplayer oot

20:55

mario 64 online made me want it more

I mean 4 swords and triforce heros was alright

20:56

but this is gonna be awesome

theres never been a real multiplayer zelda (edited)

20:56

like full 3d zelda

yeah

20:57

a majoras mask coop would be awesome too

melon said it would be hard to do cause its not aswell documented but if someone helps he will do it

Ah

20:57

Either way, Multiplayer is freaking awesome

i like oot and majora about the same so ide take any

yeah same

but i want oot multiplayer slightly more

20:58

cause rando

one thing i wont be excited for

20:58

replaying the water temple

might be more fun with a friend

yeah maybe

i dont dislike the water temple as much as others

20:59

its pretty fast if u know what your doin

yeah but even then the boss is a joke

yea but dark link

I like the miniboss

the miniboss should of been morpha and the real boss should of been dark link

yes!!!

21:01

yes i definitely needed song of storms from impa

i think i might do my first triple sanity online cause its not something i wana tackle alone

yeah

21:03

but even then it may be hard

not if u turn on item sync

21:04

knockin out those skullulas can be pretty quick

what do you think i will get for collecting her cuccos

i constantly get shit for it

21:06

so probably something shit

Cuccos is just a money trap, honestly.

yess

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that same screen was posted in the rando discord hours ago

yeah i know

21:10

i posted ot

21:10

it

honestly i need to get faster at the rando

21:10

i still feel too slow

yeah same

I was about to say I got hoverboots from her but that was adult link. I forgot what I got as child.

feeling like i have so much to do at once lol

whats your average run time c4? for keysanity

for keysanity?

yea i only really play keysanity

I don't think i could stay sane playing that

regular is too easy

21:11

keysanity is fun

have you played the textizer one?

As per the latest message on #faq , I think this belongs in #off-topic :)

yea

21:12

http://puu.sh/BjpTa/a030ce93e0.jpg doing it right now actually

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I think its hilarious

i was told to keep it off for toeksanity

21:14

tokensanity

21:15

cant wait to play the rando with friends. could u imagine not being able to progress in a dungeon cause your mssing one thign and your friend justb happens to find that thing so u could finish it

yeah it'd be brilliant

21:16

and you can get 2 things done at once

yea

It would be super useful for times like my seed. It gave me items and pointed me towards both the shadow temple, and the water temple at the same time.

yeah

21:17

now that i think about it

randos tend to do that alot

if both people know what they are doing you could probably take on 2 temples at once

Nax you got me all giddy for OoTO lol

dude if the route is optimized probaly it could cut nthe run time down by hjalf

yeah

cant wait to see co-op speedruns

21:18

its gonna be a thing

21:18

be t your ass (edited)

If you open the door of time I bet one could spend the whole time as child, and another the whole time as adult and knock shit out real fast.

it will

21:19

#gamesdonequick

21:19

or whatever it is

i prefer closing the door of time

21:19

adds more structure

yes yes

I like the forest closed and door open to get the sword quick but the seed still sends you anywhere

i like the forest open

21:20

and door closed (edited)

Lol

forest closed makes it too easy

21:21

then your garrenteed to get the sword and the slingshot early

yeah

thats no fun

One of these days I'm going to open everything with key/tokensanity. Easy days will be over. Lol Right now I'm still fairly new to the randomizer (but not new to OoT at all) Can't wait to do a co-op stream if it's possible with the one I want to do that with.

door of time open dosnt make things harder

21:25

ide sya it makes things easyier

21:25

cause adult link is easyier to do things with and u have more options

21:26

closing it is def the harder option

imagine if you could have different models for link in coop

u can

21:26

online is doing that

!!!!!

fierce deity, dark link

21:27

ect]

carpenter #3?

they have to fit links skeleton

21:27

ingo though

21:27

yes

i want link to be a carpenter

21:27

he WILL be the hero of time

gonna be playing as my boy waluigi

Press F to pay respects

not joking

21:28

hes in online

21:28

lol\

21:28

also the 3ds models

21:28

for link

21:28

are availible

he will be

21:29

I think 3Ds link may go crazy ahah

whys that]

He is high quality whilst everything is low quality if you catch my drift

21:29

but it will be cool

21:30

wait

http://puu.sh/Bjqhx/036b9f6f90.jpg i mean if u play witygh a texture pack like i do its fine

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idea

21:30

How do you install a texture pack

Lol I saw that waluigi mod on a site I checked out the other night. I was torn between him and playing as stalchild/ganondorf

pretty easy to install only pj64 though

wait can i play as Guru-guru?

dont know

i want to play as him lol

im a friend of melon so i know alot of things not everything though

Somebody has to create the guru guru model and animations for everything link does, I'd assume.

but that'd be cool

i wana play as my boy tingle

do you guys know attacking tucans?

yea

Lol he would be perfect for at least child link model replacement.

I found his balloon joke funny

how i found out about the randomizer was him

21:33

i dont find his commentary enjoyable though

21:33

kinda cringe tbh

I think he's how I found out about it too. And yeah. He has his funny moments and cringe moments.

21:33

I stopped watching his current run a few episodes ago.

ide rather watch a speedrunner do it

I saw a picture of zora link playable for OoTo. I hope goron link would be too.

na

21:34

dosnt fit the skeleton

21:34

of adult link

That's a shame.

I just found the joke where he saids the desert colossuses map looks like a deflated balloon ahah

21:35

princess ruto as young and old link lol

that would work

21:36

same with zelda

Imagine a hack where you can use deku, goron, and zora link masks as intended in MM, but for OoT after you finished the mask trading. I think having to rent them one at a time and modding in the transformations c oukd be feasible.

could not be done

21:36

new mechanics can not be put into oot

Damn. Lol

because link is *dea(

21:36

oh yeah that one

Link isn't dead in MM that's just a theory video for the likes and views.

21:37

Lol

i know i was joking lol

21:38

how about a hack for mm where mr happy guy gives you the mario mask and you turn into 64 mario lol;

Lol that would be amazing

it woukd

21:39

would

21:40

@Naχ | ナキシェさん Thats a shame because i use bizhawk (edited)

man i hate that emulator

21:40

lol

Lol

why

performance is complete ass on it. its mostly ment for tasing not commercial use

Some people say they have issues with the one I use but my computer likes retroarch with parallel64

i would use p64 but its buggy for me

its easy to fix

21:41

i could help

its working fine for me with bizhawk

21:41

ok

make use u get pj 1.6

21:42

noit 2.0 or 2.3

21:42

online will only work with pj64

21:42

so u might aswell

I used to use pj64 1.6 for vanilla OoT and other games

21:42

Still have it

link just went toe-to-toe with 2 lizalfos's with a deku stick

it takes 4

21:44

2 jump slashes each

If you use 1 normal deku swipe, and 1 deku jump slash you can take them out in one cycle and not have them run away

didnt know that

they're already dead lol

thansk for the tip

No problem. Found that out earlier today

wait its pjt 64 1.9?

1.6

ok thanks

1.6

21:46

oh he said that

21:46

lol

Lol

when u got that downloaded let me know

21:46

things u need to set up

21:46

to make it more stable

I can only pick 2

21:47

v2.3.2

21:47

or v2.3

1.6 isnt on the official website anymore

oh

http://alttp.mymm1.com/game?game=OoTR

C4 I'll dm you

ok

21:49

Now what do i do @Naχ | ナキシェさん ?

I don't know 100% because i just googled it and can't verify right now but but should be it.

https://github.com/gonetz/GLideN64/releases for install this grapbhics plugin

gonetz/GLideN64

GLideN64 - A new generation, open-source graphics plugin for N64 emulators.

Okay

21:51

now what

http://puu.sh/BjqOG/45e04f6925.jpg u enabled it?

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Where do i put the folder?

http://puu.sh/BjqQ3/730ac1b9d7.jpg open the zilmar folder and drag all those files into the plugins folder (edited)

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Ah done thank you!

http://www.emutalk.net/threads/56438-2016-OOT-3DS-Pack-for-GlideN64

2016 : OOT 3DS Pack for GlideN64

EmuTalk.net

21:56

texture pack i use

In the plugin settings screenshot you took links face looks so weird lol

hes in the middle of blinking

21:58

lol

21:58

http://puu.sh/BjqXS/3a900b25de.jpg

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21:58

normal

my pjt64 closes upon openning a rom

That looks better haha. I wanna try that pack when OoTo comes out.

yea theres a fix

21:59

as soon as u open the rom

22:00

http://puu.sh/Bjr04/b9998220ea.jpg make sure these are the settings

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@Deleted User Over at the OoT Rando Discord, there are several friendly (and maybe a few cranky) folks manning a pair of questions channels for both setup and gameplay - you may have better luck with your questions over there. ;)

hes not asking questions aboyut the rando

22:02

im helping him set up texture pack shit (edited)

My mistake

22:03

It didn't seem related to EmoTracker; I thought (by the screenshots) you were talking OoT. My bad.

general is just general coversation or is it not ?

#off-topic is probably a better place, but that's up to @EmoSaru

no one was really talking anyway

C4 did you fix your settings? You may have to go into other settings and enable advanced settings to be seen.

yeah i fixed it

@Deleted User

22:06

Oh okay

enjoy the hd textures

22:07

looks very nice

22:07

http://puu.sh/Bjra3/c6a646b4c4.jpg i also got a code to change the hud

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22:07

i do this cause i play with a gc controller

Lol nice. Don't you still use the c stick for buttons though?

na just for songs

22:08

i use y x and z for items

I suppose they can be mapped to both. Pretty convenient.

22:09

I use a Xbox one controller myself.

PS4 here

i used to use a 360 controller (edited)

22:10

gc controller much more comfortable

22:11

since its closer to the analog radias

22:11

of a n64 controller

I keep hearing of people having issues with deadzones but my controller has very little issues aiming. But if I were to use my gc controller, does the wiiU adapter work for the pc if I put them both in usb slots?

i assume the wii-u one works my adapter is 3rd party

Ah. I'll have to try that one day, especially when I start a WW rando.

22:15

I preordered a couple of official smash ultimate controllers and I've had the wiiU adapter since smash 4 came out.

i got an adpater for melee

22:16

i only play melee and pm

22:16

not into ultimate

Pm?

project m

Ah

@Naχ | ナキシェさん no one was really talking anyway I would prefer these types of conversations happen in #off-topic. Believe it or not, I monitor every channel here except #off-topic for issues and useful ideas. While I don't usually forcefully silence things unless they're decidedly problematic, the more text that's not about the tracker there is in monitored channels, the harder it is for me to find issues (sometimes issues people don't even realize are issues).

ill keep that in mind

22:22

justb hader to move when a convo already started

I'm not shutting things down here, but that's my preference, insofar as it makes my job a lot easier.

22:24

I understand the difficulty in moving things sometimes. Just keep it in mind. For example, starting to talk about Smash, which I'm confident has no tracker pack, is a good opportunity to migrate to #off-topic .

eh smash convo done

...and now I go back to my hidey-hole so I can get the new version of the tracker done and released Soon™. Always watching though, always watching...

https://giphy.com/gifs/converse-xTkcEHkC6P3I5VCDpm

<3

yay for saving

(Don't worry, she's watching me too.)

hype

saving is not in the next version, lol

damn

Well isn't that uplifting

Don't ask me about the release date - you'll know when it's coming.

i never asked

That was preemptive, lol.

Over in ALttPR we like "When It's Ready™."

more like primitive har har

waiting for saving before i start my triple sanity run of ocarina

that seems like a good reason to wait, actually

lol

the next version is the first of two pretty big updates though...

22:30

there's a good chance save/load will be in the second one (edited)

yayyy

22:32

hype again

What's the difference between pughud and pughud mini?

They're different layouts for aLttP Rando.

Yeah, it's the size, design, and arrangement of some of the icons. All of the layouts are recreations of the original PugHUD item tracker app, which Fouton ported to EmoTracker.

Is there a way to make the EmoTracker retain the information, so that when I close it, it remembers which items I already checked in

being devved #faq

For now don't close it if you can help it. When saving and loading is released, the dev said you'll be notified on this discord.

19:56

@kingofspaed

Any chance we can use an alpha background in v2??

not sure what you mean - if you mean making the window background itself transparent - no, not currently

20:34

there are a variety of issues with transparent windows on MS Windows, actually

I almost successfully chroma keyed it but the item icons would have chunks gone because of item coloring.

Thank you @EmoSaru

20:37

!

Seriously! I am pumped haha

@ItsThatNick one issue with transparent windows is actually that OBS capture specifically doesn't work with them

20:38

I recommend using the broadcast view, and you CAN customize the background color to make it easier to chroma key. Ask in #customization-support for help

See that's what I'm talking about haha. Getting a very strange green to chroma so I can put it on an overlay. You are the best.

Gratz on the website! Looks great :D

Thanks! It's been a long time coming, and it should be a lot more stable. We've had periodic availability issues with the old one. This thing is now redundant AF, courtesy of a pile of AWS services that are a giant pain to configure.

Oof, AWS

20:50

at least it’s reliable

It's a fantastic service that makes you want to die when you're setting it up

Yup

20:50

Remember when it actually overloaded?

100% thank you for doing the always on top

1

^^^^

If we get an always on top, do we eventually get a certain level of control over window transparency?

21:29

Not for broadcast view of course because herp derp interaction issues.

not currently on the plan, although it's certainly possible (edited)

It just sounds like the next logical step on the always-on-top front. I don't need it personally, I actually just set up another display yesterday and I could also just make my emulator window smaller instead.

21:34

I may be missing something here, but I can not get a map to show up.

Make sure you are using a pack that actually has a map

Some packs respond to the Enable/Disable map option. Ones with maps either have it in the title or have the icon in the Package Manager. Next trick is that you need to stretch the window to be large enough to tell it to not use the compact view.

I have it set to "enable" for the Emu Items Only, and there is no stretching possible of the screen.

"items only"

22:09

=

22:09

no map

Ohhh. There was a map icon next to it, and the other I could have sworn said it was for open. I will look again.

Image attachment

22:10

No map icon next to items only

I found it. There is a map

22:11

Thanks!!

Question, what's the purpose of the dotted while line squares on some of the checks?

Hints

They're used for hints in OOT

22:22

in LTTP they're locations you can visibly check before being able to access

Sheikah Stones (and maybe something in ALttP), depending on your randomizer settings, can give hints for what item is in certain locations

So you can click that square, and mark what item's there

Ohhh that's super handy

Right?

Is it still possible to use the old version?

03:05

I just found that I can't seem to access the Items Only - Old Layout by JRJathome for ZOOTR

03:05

It just doesn't show up in the installed packages list

Maybe because you no longer have it installed.

Only shows reinstall as the option in the manage packages list

03:07

and reinstall didn't seem to effect anything

Did you make edits to it?

Yeah I did actually, good point

03:08

Does that change things?

_ 1: Copy your overrides folder for his pack to back it up (to your Desktop or something) 2: Delete the one that's in the overrides folder 3: Delete the one that's in the packs folder 4: Restart EmoTracker 5: This should make it Installable from the Package Manager 6: Install it 7: Compare it to what you had previously and if you need to make edits to restore it to what you had 8: If you retained the backup we made in Step 1, you should be able to do stuff and not have lost anything (edited)

awesome thanks

03:11

appreciate the help

Did that do the thing?

still doing it, will let you know

Sweet.

perfect.

03:14

Thanks a heap

03:15

Actually, I just realised it still doesn't show up

Yep! I don't know what all he had changed, but, hopefully you can bend it back to something resembling how you had it but with the new tech.

but it's active so who cares

Is it still not showing in the Installed Packages list?

OH!

03:16

It's there/

03:16

It's under Lttp randomizer

03:16

its under the wrong classification

oh dang

03:16

it is

Oh. So it is. Lemme check that out.

That explains a lot

So it is... @JRJathome , methinks your actual package's manifest is wrong, but the repo entry is correct.

03:17

FYI, he'll have to update the package to fix it

03:17

But it's a fairly easy fix, and JR is usually pretty responsive (once it's not the middle of the night)

Yeah, it's not a huge deal once you know it's there it functions the same

03:17

and that's what's important really

yup, there it is :P

It's more entertaining than anything else, rofl.

manifest calls it alttp

Okay, doing a scan through all the packages

03:18

@JRJathome needs to fix his actual package manifest, and so does @Gilgatex for his SMZ3 map tracker

03:19

Until they're fixed, Gilgatex's pack is actually filed under "Other"

nice thing is, any new packs shouldn't have this problem since while you're editing it you should notice its under the wrong portion

Just so you're all aware - this update started using some metadata that was there before, but wasn't actively used. So, it's unsurprising that we had a few hiccups. It'll get sorted out shortly.

03:20

Yeah, this is a one-time issue.

03:21

Just didn't want anybody to be judging harshly - the pack devs were actually very responsive to my requests for stuff in the last week, so they deserve some well earned slack.

as long as it doesn't take a week they're doing a decent job

All of these folks DO have other stuff going on, but like I said, they're generally pretty responsive.

03:22

Anyway, on that note, sorry for the hiccup, and I am off to bed

loving the new update!

Simple question. For the ChatHud i see all commands start with !hud but is there a list of commands?

^ #faq (edited)

I have been reading the faq, that is how i know all start with !hud, but for example if i want to enable the bow in alttp i have my chat type !hud bow

09:02

but i don't see like an actual breakdown of what the tracker items are called that corelate to the commands...unless i am just missing them

that's pack-dependant

Understood. But for a link to the past for example, as that is what i am trying to figure out...i don't know what each of them would be called. I know the BOW is !ihud bow. But for example the silver arrows...i can't figure out the command...is there a list i am missing or something?

I think the best would be to ping the pack author in #pack-support

09:05

That or you can read through the pack's files as I do but that's a bit more annoying

I didn't even think of pack support....shesh...Thanks. it has been a long morning already...lol

No worries

Inside the items.json of the pack you're using, you'll find that each item has a "codes" tag. Any of the codes in that field will work for chat hud.

Thank you

@DinghyDog I've updated the old layout so it should now show up correctly under the Ocarina of Time Randomizer category.

09:35

Sorry for the confusion.

Sweet thanks!

15:08

Cheers for making it too, you did a great job

Thanks

On a link to the past tracker....what does the ball with a plus mean? I am assuming the follow: Crystal = crystal dungeon, Crystal with a + would be a 5/6 dungeon? circle icon is pendant, what is the other one that looks like a pendant though?

green pendant

Oh....so the one that looks blue / red is the other 2 pendants and then you had one just for the green....

02:43

that makes sense..lol

Yep. In terms of value, the red/blue pendants are identical.

Thank you.

hm can someone give me an invitation link for this server

Why not pass them to the website? There's a link there.

yea was wondering where i actually found my invitation

07:57

found it, thanks though

Changes in this Version: Too much to list - visit <- hey @EmoSaru look I read it this time

...

20:23

@SakuraTsubasa wow

lmfao you changed my name!

what?

20:24

I have no idea what you're talking about, miss Poobasa

sakuLove

Curse ye, Discord, for allowing my victi... err, friends to change their nicknames

someone knows how to get that pack, because in the package manager it does not appear ... I think

Image attachment

I believe @Raikaru made that based off of my old layout. There's a keysanity pack in the package manager, but it has a different layout.

mmmm I can not find it I have downloaded all of OoT but it is none of those thanks anyway :D

Yeah, it's not an official package yet. You'd have to ask @Raikaru for the download.

ok ty

double ping

18:49

can we get threeee

Oops. Sorry, Raikaru. I got a bit carried away.

i have been working on a new design and layout

19:37

but if/when i decide to ask about uploading them both (edited)

Is there a way to undo completing a spot on the map in the tracker?

Yes

02:37

F11 to display every check, find the one you misclicked, uncheck it, and F11 again to go back to the normal view

awesome.. thank you

Np

So I know you guys all speed run this stuff in a couple hours.. but is there anyway to save the tracker for another day?

#faq

06:26

tl;dr not now but likely in the future

Next version update will have it, but there is no firm release data set

Am I the only one with only 3 pinned locations on Hamsda's Items & Map Oot Tracker?

15:08

oh nvm

are there any ALTTP trackers that show the map with chests you can get, but no logic behind whats accessable or not? I would like to track where i've been, but without anything telling me where i should go

I believe most trackers that show the map tend to have logic built in as well. SakuraTsubasa has item location maps for overworld and dungeons that should help. https://maplequeensaku.weebly.com/news/legend-of-zelda-a-link-to-the-past-randomizer-overworld-item-locations-guide https://maplequeensaku.weebly.com/news/legend-of-zelda-a-link-to-the-past-randomizer-dungeon-item-locations-guide

Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past Randomizer Overworld Item loca...

So you have decided to get into randomizer but have either never played or never 100%'d the original Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past game. To be honest I hadn't either before playing my first...

LEGEND OF ZELDA: A LINK TO THE PAST RANDOMIZER Dungeon ITEM LOCATI...

In continuation of my last blog post where I showed all the overworld locations in the game where you can obtain items, we have our latest edition: The Legend of Zelda: A Link to the Past Randomizer...

That’s not a bad idea for a custom logic level though.

Yeah, I like that idea and it should be pretty easy to implement in the next version of EmoTracker

I also like that idea. When playing through wind waker and using a tracker because I'm not experienced in 100% runs, it felt like I was just following everything that the tracker told me to do next. Lol

So, I can do that feature

23:59

That said, I'm not sure I'm sold on how useful it actually is, lol

It kind of sounds like a mess waiting to happen. See also: games with densely packed items and locations to track e.g. Ocarina... and even Wind Waker

Exactly

That's basically going to turn half the map green.

00:02

You'll get lost in the interface.

00:03

Works for Super Metroid, that's probably about it, I'd expect. (Maybe Axiom Verge now that it's getting a randomizer.

)

I could see it being useful for 3sanity... maybe not so much for standard randomizer...

You can get a good idea of how cluttered the map will look just by pressing F11 and looking at how much of the map turns red.

00:05

And no, turning off logic entirely would really not make tracking a 3-sanity run of Ocarina any better. It's even more important in a setting that chaotic to know exactly what you can and can't do.

Not what I was suggesting but okay...

00:07

You're kinda jumpy today ain't ya?

00:10

What I was actually getting at is if it would be overwhelming for say a standard randomizer run (only items shuffled) then maybe have a checkbox for it to be added during generation? That way if you're generating a seed that it would be useful, for example a keysanity/3sanity, just check the box and the option goes in with it.

00:11

Just my 2 cents though... I'm no dev or speedrunner...

EmoTracker is not part of any Randomizer program. You can't make seed generation interface with the tracker in any way.

^

1)I completely misunderstood what you guys were suggesting... thought you were suggesting adding the tracker ability to the in-game map

^ what?

2) Lost! You're not Teal anymore!

^ also what?

Do you not have any clue how Discord works?

We're not in the OoTR Discord. I'm only teal there.

You're not even speaking in the OoTR server.

I came in like a few lines ago because my internet shat out

00:15

Wait what

yea, this is emotracker discord lol

how'd that happen?

00:16

Think my pc must have reopened the wrong server when my internet came back up...

It seems you're no longer in that server.

Nah, I am... I'm invis at the moment (edited)

Which isn't exactly our problem over here in EmoTracker #general.

00:18

Might pay a touch more attention to which server you're talking to and when.

Doesn't normally happen... like I said... I think it had some weirdness from my internet crapping out. Crappy ISP is crappy

@EmoSaru sorry i wasn't around earlier to follow up, the ability to load a tracker without logic would be niche, specific to games with a lower amount of items, but it would allow for an easy stepping stone between "map that tells you were to go" and "no map", which is a step i could use for LTTP (edited)

No worries - I'll definitely consider it, as it hurts nothing, but it's also the type of thing that could be confusing if anybody ever accidentally turned it on

yeah it would be important to not accidentally turn it on. maybe a separate pack would be the answer?

"Logicless Package"

A toggle in the menu instead of a hotkey, probably, if you want to disable logic checking for whatever reason

00:43

Might go well with the ability to have a map-only tracker?

Map-only would definitely require a separate package

01:02

Honestly, the "enable map" option probably needs to go away already

01:02

because it's gotten harder and less valuable to maintain as layouts have gotten more flexible

I haven't really touched EmoTracker much, only just started today, but is there any way to dynamically add items to the layout through customization/scripting?

Dynamically? Not currently. You can pretty easily create a pack with a unique set of stuff though.

19:00

If you elaborate on what you're trying to do though, I can either advise on how to do it now or we can talk about what would be needed to make it possible.

Sure - I was gonna make an item tracker for Binding of Isaac. The game outputs events like picking up items in a txt file, so I was hoping I could watch for things like that with the scripting interface and add any items/pickups to the tracker

Ah, gotcha (edited)

19:03

Not currently possible

19:04

But

19:04

Sounds very cool

19:04

Basically you're missing a few things

19:04

1) The ability to manipulate items from script

19:04

2) Permissions to access the filesystem directly

19:05

#2 would require me to add an "unsafe" flag to packs, I think

19:06

I don't distribute packs other than mine, but I do advertise them in the app, so I'd need to make sure people understand when scripts are doing things like that

There are some programs that will track items in BoI like that

19:06

Just not in EmoT

Ah yeah, that's a good point (edited)

19:06

Yeah, I know of other BoI trackers, I just wanted to see if it could be done in EmoTracker

All that said - I like the idea of individual packs being able to implement certain limited forms of autotracking via lua script

19:07

If I were to do this, I think you'd also need #3 - button layout elements with script callbacks

19:07

To start/stop the thing

Ah, yes, but autotracking.

19:10

Maybe some day we'll get equipment that lets people playing on non-computer hardware detect what the game's doing, and then they'll finally be able to have the same "advantages" PC users have.

19:10

Watch as autotracking stays banned in competitions regardless.

So

19:11

For SNES

19:11

We have that

19:11

If you are playing on SD2SNES

19:11

It's just not ubiquitous enough

19:11

And SRAM trace is stupid, so I refuse to support it for LTTP

19:11

So basically, I don't think it's appropriate to globally support it

19:11

Buit

19:12

Given that we have a full scripting system. I'm not opposed to letting games where it's condoned have packs implement it if possible

SRAM Trace is dead in ALttPR v30. Other memory is intended to be used at that point.

Good, and good riddance

19:27

If I were to support it for LTTPR, I would only support platforms that support ConnectorLib - aka Lua enabled emulators (Snes9x and Bizhawk) and SD2SNES

19:28

But as that's not the whole community, and there's not a terribly reliable way to detect race roms, it's not going to happen

Is the whole tracker written in Lua or

Most definition files are written in .json and can hook into lua functions.

Yeah, but what language is the Tracker written in? Lua is a very common language for sub-scripting but I'm not sure the whole thing is written in it..

C#

That would be for the GUI and Lua execution I assume? (edited)

Oh, C# makes sense

21:37

Tekky, probably the whole thing

so just a quick question. in the alltp tracker, what do the blue squares specify?

#faq

Haha. At least the Overlord is kindly xD

@EmoSaru I know this is kinda late to the party, but I just talked to the creator today for the REmaster rando and there isn't a discord server for it, but he basically uses the RE speedrunning page as a support server for the rando (since the fanbase isn't as large as something like Zelda, I guess this works out). Anyway, here's the server in case you wanted to add it to the list. https://discord.gg/DPdwpMK

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Thanks - added!

bigjNICE

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who would I best talk to about getting a pack created for a randomizer?

If you're just trying to have a simple tracker, it's not that difficult to do yourself if you look at some that have already been done. Creating the images would be the only real time killer.

tl;dr: Axiom Verge got a randomizer courtesy of that guy just one line up

18:26

Axiom Verge has this neat little feature where it has a map just like Super Metroid's, so it's very easy to put locations of interest on them

18:26

The biggest hitch will be writing the logic for each location

Maps definitely take a lot more work.

are there rules against using the sprites from the games? because I can get all the sprites

Every tracker package here uses sprite rips <.< (edited)

ah ok

18:27

18:27

I made the randomizer to have no game assets in it so I guess I don't have to do it to put the tracker together

18:28

I have the logic for all of the map locations I just don't know where to look for the info to work with the emotracker

ok I found where the packs download thanks. I'll take a look at them

herp. I should have mentioned that.

Just an FYI... https://twitter.com/EmoSaru/status/1036848569322364928

EmoSaru @ Degen AF (@EmoSaru)

I think I just made @authorblues happier... For anybody who can't tell, that's transparent "capture" from EmoTracker's broadcast view, drop shadows and all, no color key required. @NewTekInc NDI support is coming in the next version!

oh

thanks for your hard work @EmoSaru

Happy to do it!

22:49

The fact that this hasn't been possible has been irking the crap out of me, lol

what ended up being the secret sauce?

22:50

or is that a trade secret?

No trade secrets - I'm not using window or display capture.

22:50

I'm using NDI video to do it

22:50

Which is a network based video transport

22:50

So I'm rendering the view directly, and streaming it to OBS

22:50

via the NDI plugin for it

hmmm, never heard of it. thats really cool though

One potentially interesting side effect is that you can now run the tracker on a different machine from OBS

will that be pretty straightforward to setup in OBS?

I suspect most people don't care

22:51

But I do

22:51

Because I have plans for that

In before tracking on windows tablet

It's very straightforward, but you have to install an OBS plugin and the NDI runtime

its a neat idea for things like AGDQ and being able to have it running on a different computer for the trackers

Long term, I have big plans for broadcast features

22:51

Like, for restreams and stuff

22:52

So this is a nice foundation for that

22:52

I hate literally everything about how restreamed races look right now

22:52

And their tracker implementations suck

y e a...

Once I get network sync for the tracker, there's LOTS of stuff I can do

22:53

Including the types of dynamic views and transitions, with comm controls, that you see on mainstream sports broadcasts

22:53

That stuff is a bit further down the line, but everything kinda builds towards it

I want to say thanks to everyone that has worked on this as having a one all solution is extremely nice!

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what program or website do i go to for randomizing the Super Metroid game?

Google is your friend. https://itemrando.supermetroid.run/

19:32

I like this tracker a lot as well

Me too !

Hey for the "twitch_channel" bit when I'm adding the line do I mess with that? I assume add the channel url somewhere in there.. or something.

15:58

I feel like I'm missing the point somewhere here

Image attachment

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Does that help?

Yus

16:00

Thanks I wasn't sure if the first part needed tweaked

Alright

22:51

check this out

22:51

Image attachment

22:51

It's possible to get past this room

22:51

with bombchus

22:51

without the boomerang

Yes, yes it is. The OoTR Discord knows that, too.

23:54

2.0 logic is Boomerang or Slingshot. Dev logic includes Bombchus.

what does go mean on the zelda tracker

It's just an icon you can mark when you reach go mode.

@EmoSaru hey I have a question about the emotracker

Ping outta nowhere!

21:58

Don't ask to ask, just ask.

oh well is there a way you can save the tracker? like it records like a save state so i dont have to like screenshot it? if it isnt within the tracker, it would be really cool to have

Not available yet, but coming soon. #faq

oh sweet! thanks!

Hello, is there a release date for the new version or nothing planned yet?

Soon ™

12:32

The release date is always Soon™

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"When It's Done" also works

12:38

Within 1-2 weeks is a safe assumption though. (edited)

Oh wow. Hype! Finally tracker saves are coming! You are awesome Emo!

Yes

with this release and release of vt alltpr v30 really soon in 1-2 weeks too .. It'ss really great !

Anyway to remove the Pinned Locations section?

with an override yes, ask in #customization-support

I'm genuinely curious to know why people want to remove the pinned locations section.

When you know the routin

What game are you playing?

Oot

Are you never clearing chests individually in dungeons?

I know the locations by heart

That's fine, I know LTTP by heart. The point is not to be able to see all the sections within the location, it's to be able to efficiently track whether you've cleared them individually. (edited)

14:01

For example, have you never left chests unopened in a dungeon, either because you didn't have access to them at the time, or because you gambled on leaving them?

I have, but it's very rare

What do you do in those cases in the tracker? Leave the whole location uncleared? (edited)

yeah

Interesting.

14:04

Can I ask why you even use a map tracker then?

14:04

That's not a dig - I'm genuinely curious.

I think the pinned locations is gonna be more worth it when you can save your progress

I think everything has slightly more valuable for multi-session players with save/load, but I think it's a relatively small portion of the value of tracking which chests you've opened.

I use the map to give me a general idea of the ares worth visiting

But, for example, with only the high level view of the map, you don't have an idea of e.g. the actual chest count value of a location

And what is unlocked when getting a new item

So if you're already tracking that in your head

14:06

I dunno, it's interesting to me

If there was a way to rearrange pins other than by reverse engineering the order you want to check things in, I think the pins section would be more useful. As it is, if I set my route with pins, and then pick up something else that lets me get more checks, if I add them then the pins becomes (even more of) a cluttered mess. (edited)

well you do if you played the game for a min amount of time

Do what, track that in your head to some degree? I agree, obviously. But my point is, having the map up there at all and having to click it ALSO has a cost. So given that you're using less of the value of the map (ignoring the lower levels of logic support, actual available chest counts, etc.), I'm wondering why use it at all? (edited)

14:11

@LostThePirate it's interesting, because here we have two very different use cases. One person who might be overusing pins (from a design standpoint, not a judgement), and one person who's underusing/discarding them. (edited)

I use the map to check off the locations i've visited

Except when you couldn't/didn't full clear them

I don't understand why you would turn pinned locations off if you use a map... it would still be dead space even if it was turned off.

I mean, you could rearrange it with items in a purely horizontal or vertical stack

14:16

but that only saves space if you leave the maps small

14:16

(relatively speaking)

yeah, I could understand in the context of rearranging everything, but not just for the sake of it being off

14:17

because you don't use it

I'm really easily distracted or lose my train of thought, so I mark out the next several minutes worth of checks in reverse order, so I can follow the route I intend without getting distracted. But if I get something that increases the available checks on my path, I have to either reverse order everything again, or add those new ones at the front of the list and jump around. (edited)

Yeah, that's an interesting use case to me. Like, clearly it's not optimized for route planning right now, so much as "quick access to the dungeon/location I'm in NOW" and "what did I think I needed to be reminded of" (edited)

I know it's not the primary way most folks are engaging with pins, but it's how I use them, (at least some of the time, especially in early game where there are a lot of scattered available checks all over the overworld).

I understant the use of pinned

14:24

pins*

14:24

The argument goes the other way, why would there be a pin for a one chest check?

I don't think ~~anybody~~ many people pin one chest checks (edited)

14:25

Well, maybe Lost does

14:25

I'm talking about dungeons though

You mean like the lumberjack check? I pin it almost every game

OoT or LTTP?

LTTP

14:26

sorry thought we were talking about that

Yeah, visibly checkable locations are an exception to that rule

14:26

Pretty much always

14:26

It's why the tracker automatically pins anything you capture an item on

I'm playing OoTR. Bigger overworld (I think?), lots of places to get distracted.

Interestingly, I think LTTP actually has more distinct locations

14:28

But I'd have to double check

GS Tokens... They add an extra hundred checks to the map. (Thankfully, at least on Hamsda's, displaying them is toggle-able.)

Ah, good point, I forgot about those things

And all besides the dungeon ones are one-offs. 56 single-check locations, for the non-dungeon GS checks.

What of being able to click and drag items inside Pinned Locations to re-order them?

That's basically what I'd ask for, if I thought it could reasonably be done.

It’s certainly possible

15:36

It’s just also harder to make sure it doesn’t accidentally happen

15:37

Because either it’s a small draggable handle and harder to drag, or it’s a permissive one that’s easy to drag when eg missing a chest slightly while going fast

@EmoSaru If you dont mind me asking what language is used for EmuTracker?

C#, why do you ask?

I was curious

ive been starting to set up and using emotracker is wonderful, so thank you @EmoSaru

What are the white dotted squares for?

If you can see the thing and want to return, you can document that.

...or in the case of OoT, they are generally used for recording hint items.

Ocarina of Time has special good-hint and guaranteed-hint locations that have a more descriptive text than the generic hints; these locations are selected from a specific semi-frustrating location pool by the randomizer, and as such the full set of valid hintable locations in the tracker supports the visible-item selection box. In short, the dotted line is for locations where it is possible to know what the item is before you can legitimately reach it, hence the blue "visually checkable" coloration.

Hey off topic as all get out, but does anyone know a good place to download Pokemon ROMS?

00:15

I have a hankering to play good 'ol Red and Blue, but don't know a good ROM site.

I'm not sure whether Emo would allow linking to roms or rom sites. Especially since it's not related at all to the tracker.

Not here

00:23

Definitely, definitely not here

Google is your friend.

No joke - anybody who links anything like that is gonna get messages purged and posting privileges revoked

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00:24

It's a significant legal liability

is it possible to make the tracker reset button so it isn't just 1 click away from wiping all progress? I have accidentally clicked it twice in the past few weeks doing ocarina of time runs

How did you "accidentally click" a button that isn't near anything you'll be interacting with in a normal active use scenario?

question on OOT : i did forest temple and from all the possible chest only got one key. does that mean i have to learn bomb hovering to get to the other door in the main lobby?

Just use hover boots

huh, that could work.

This question belongs in the Ocarina of Time Randomizer discord. The answer is "use Hover Boots to reach Floormaster from the block push room"

oh sorry. well, at least i have an answer

This is incidentally covered in the readme... for the randomizer...

welp, that show's how much i read...

06:35

oh well, thanks anyway

Reading is required.

sorry

It’s a learning experience. The documentation is included for a reason.

eh, at least i know where to look at later when i'm stuck

Hiiii

07:34

How do I save the tracker

#faq Not at this time.

I'm playing wind waker randomizer and using this tracker

07:38

Do I just never close the thing

At this time, never close the thing. Or do take a screenie and re-input everything.

OK thx

Save/load is done, thanks to my insomnia, and coming in the next version which will be out later this week. I’m tremendously excited because soon I won’t get nearly hourly requests for save/load, which has somehow become a feature everybody assumes exists despite basically no other trackers actually supporting it, lol.

corLove

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Insomnia is a bitch and this is the first tracker I've ever used lol

natalie, I clicked the reset button by accident due to it being right next to the minimize button. OOT can take quite a while with full randomization and I don't often do it in one sitting so there are many times I minimize the tracker

I will consider rearranging the buttons. That said, all the buttons have highlight states, so you can always tell what you're about to click before clicking.

hello, there is any way to edit broadcast view?

Yes, very much so. #customization-support (edited)

css editing? oh nevermind i start in 10 minutes xD

it's json, but yes

11:58

it's very powerful though

Hi, I'M a noob of retrogaming and randomiser from Québec City, Canada. (edited)

Welcome, Fafouin!

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Salut

12:37

Another Quebecer

bonjour

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bonjour

for chest groups. lets take desert palace as an example. theres 6 chests, 5+1, main area and boss area. If you enter DP without boss key nor boots, you can only access 3 in the main area. (bigchest & pedestal is locked) so, if you open 3/5 chests, technically DP main, should be locked until you A) get boots/bigkey. B) did DP boss, but have no key. is it safe to assume, these kind of specific conditions are ignored for simplicity, sake?

Bonjour @NavyTheFairy

It's not strictly simplicity.

12:38

It's more about "what's actually necessary"

well, simplicity in terms of "its a pain in the ass to code and should i put effort into this"

I has literally nothing to do with that

12:39

I have a full keysanity pack that models unlockable doors and everything with the full key logic

12:39

I've never released it

12:39

Because it's a giant pain in the ass to use

12:39

It doesn't actually tell you what you want to know once you know the game

so it, basicly ends up being too specific about everyting and just becomes spaghetti?

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Precisely.

12:40

More clicking, too much data.

12:40

For negligible value to anyone who actually runs the game

12:41

One thing to keep in mind

so its better to just "lets put all these chests together and mark them yellow cus youre missing an item to get all of them"

My LTTP packs aim to strike a balance between being useful learning aids, and fast to use for racers

12:42

Anything that becomes a consistent source of confusion or a time sink for using the tracker while racing is likely something I try to get rid of

12:42

Which is why the dungeons are specified as they are

12:42

It's the best balance I've found between accurate information and meaningful/useful information

12:42

(and I tried a lot of things) (edited)

both maptrackers so far have done a perfect job at that. (though id personally view the bombjump in IP as questionable)

That is by far the most questionable.

it had me confused the first time I saw it

I'm considering allowing it to be turned off in the next pack version.

f,ex the bombjump in skull for the bigchest, is kind of the same as the IP bombjump if you ask me

I'd like turning off the IPBJ, just for the fact that sequence breaking is information

i think the reason for confusion is that, IPBJ makes IP green, when it should be yellow, just like phantom flipper

The main reason IPBJ is handled the way it is is to avoid deprioritizing ice subconsciously in a racer's mind. That was based on lots of test runs that I did.

12:46

Back then, we didn't really have a pattern for doing "settings".

12:46

Now we do.

12:46

So I like the idea of making it a setting you can toggle.

theres nothing particulary wrong with including it in logic, other than it being in-logic. in the end, anyone who wants to race pretty much has to learn to do it regardless, just like bonkjumps

12:49

which the tracker also considers in-logic

Bonk jumps absolutely are in logic

12:49

For example entering mire with boots is completely in logic

ik theres a spot in GT that forces you to bonkjump aswell,, so it would be stupid for it to not be in logic when the game makes it a requirement (edited)

@EmoSaru i was hanging out on Sakura's stream yesterday and I saw you mention you had a roadmap of EmoTracker features. Is the roadmap publicly available? I always get a kick out of seeing whats planned

Just gonna babble a thing about how learning has lessened my reliance on trackers: I did put out a full 3sanity (keys, songs, skulltula tokens added to global item pool) run of Ocarina of Time in one sitting using only a key-enabled item tracker package. Took me nine and a half hours of playtime, but I can officially say I don't need a location tracker for OoT now.

13:05

Wind Waker? Nah man that's a different story.

@Lechtansi I'm actually going to be putting something together for that in the near future. I have documents, but none suitable for public consumption.

cool

well keep up the good work, emo tracker is great

why is the cave called superbunny cave?

Because the Super Bunny glitch will trigger automatically upon progressing normally through the cave. It will enable you to open the chests without the Moon Pearl.

15:01

Among other things.

15:02

LttPR discord can explain in more detail.

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Hewwo

uWu

I be a new comer

@Natalie wheres this run thingy you speak of

Hey, so, in the FAQ I see that a grey spot on a tracker means it's already cleared, but on Hamsda's OoT tracker, the spot just disappears. So if I need to see it again due to a mis-track, I have to reset the whole tracker? Any idea why this is happening?

F11.

ah okay that's better ^^ Thanks

Anyone know a good website to get WW iso?

No. I'm afraid we can't share roms here.

17:26

You'd be better off asking in the WW Rando discord. There's a link in #faq.

the WW discord will have the info you need to find the rom

Well I found one, but I have not seen any info there

All you need to get one can be found there

18:35

Including instructions on how to dump it yourself

18:35

Anything past that is so hilariously illegal

Hey, so how do I save progress on a run in EmoTracker?

00:19

Like if I want to close it and come back later?

#faq

00:20

its coming soon though

you just dont close it, or you have to screenshot the tracker, and save it that way (edited)

for hamsda's oot map tracker, what are the blue squares trying to tell you? the faq says blue squares mean "Visually checkable, but not accessible", but that seems like it applies more to alttp than to oot?

Treat blue squares as "you can know what this location holds before being able to acquire the item"

11:23

OoTR has specific hintable locations with special text. These hints are read from Gossip Stones.

11:23

They're drawn from a pool of hintable locations; all valid locations will appear when enabling the Stone of Agony in the tracker.

11:23

Additionally, certain locations are guaranteed to have hints associated.

ok yeah one of my thoughts was potential gossip stone hints, since I ticked stuff off and looked at what all the blue spots were, and a lot seemed like things that would be gossip stone hints

11:24

but a couple blue spots seemed weird for that as well, like arch hp in the desert, and sheik song at temple

11:24

are those two actually gossip stone hints?

Yes

oh huh, I've never seen those ones

Those are hintable locations, but not guaranteed hint locations

Do they have helpful location titles if you click and hold on the Blue Square?

yeah, these are all the ones I noticed messing around https://puu.sh/Bur4c/f87aaca612.png

Embedded image

11:26

most did seem obviously like gossip stone ones, but some seemed weird

Big Poes is one of the guaranteed hint locations

11:27

What bothers me is certain very easily checkable locations have hints. Looking at you, Guru-Guru.

@Hamsda I wonder if there’s a place, either in the location title or chest title that can include the fact that it’s a Gossip Stone or at least revealed by one.

Can't say that makes much sense to do, tbh. The intent of blue locations is it's possible to know what the item is before being able to acquire it. In the case of OoT, this just happens to be a not-guaranteed thing for most of said locations.

I know this isn't suggestions, but in that same vein I wonder if there is a way to add the item that is turning a square yellow? although, I suppose that is also on the player to learn themselves.

I think the latter is intended. Player should know if there’s tech that can do that.

Yellow just means it's an "out of logic" accessibility. Sometimes it's a selectable logic option in the case of OoT

11:31

It may also mean that you selected Bombchus, but do not have Bombchus selected to be in logic.

11:32

In the case of Gerudo Valley crossing, you may cross out-of-logic with Hookshot and without Epona using an annoying setup and the Hookshot Extension glitch

so it just as much means a "you can technically reach this if you know how, but it's out of logic so bother at your own risk" kinda deal?

Depending on the location, it's anywhere from "free" to "holy shit what are you doing"

11:35

Man on Roof in Kakariko (as child, with nothing) is a free check but technically out of logic

11:35

1 in 32 without the Lens is... well... 1 in 32. You're desperate if you're trying to get through without the Lens.

yeah, I can see that lol

Out of logic means different things in different locations to different communities.

11:36

You can ask about specific locations in the appropriate community. They'll probably know more and have better resources to explain.

yeah, and the tracker seems to have its own determination on it, apart from being able to select lens and bombchu logic

Like I said, different things in different locations. Some techs are free but weren't accounted for in the rando logic.

11:40

Some techs are disastrous to your time and sanity if you screw them up.

yeah pretty much

Like West Sand Hole.

Now now, that used to be in logic. Then someone whined.

oh save+load that's cool

should fix the faq line regarding it to be like "here just take it already, christ"

firebase tracker officially redundant, long live emotracker

Sorry it didn't send initially

'Enjoy your ridiculously long games'

@MikeTrethewey | Axiom Verge with how the hint system works rn, I might have to rework it slightly anyways

10-4.

not passive-aggressive enough of a change to faq >:C

I'm too tired to be my usual passive-aggressive self.

14:52

I'm sick and I've been dealing with incredible insomnia. These things are related.

14:52

Was the insomnia related to the constant save/load requests? Who's to say, really...

14:53

There

do i need to mail you a box of soup and tea

That's as passive aggressive as I can muster

good enough, 8.5/10

Almost a 6/5 Hera.

Would like to say that I appreciate all your hard work EmoSaru

Hello all, how goes?

@EmoSaru the new tracker is awesome! (edited)

save/load feature Kreygasm

Kreygasm

At last, a save/load feature. Now I can finally use Emotracker for my randomized runs of Wind Waker

nice! Been waiting for this feature, thank you so much!

Load/save support woot woot

16:31

@EmoSaru you are a saint! Keep doing what you are doing

Will do

Note to self: acquire @everyherp reaction image

20:38

20:38

Entrance rando is a nightmare no matter what level you operate at, just gotta say.

I filled out an app even though I've never played one

every skill level yeah

I played Beta Quest for OoT once

20:46

I don't want to touch it again.

Just wanna say thanks for all the hard work @EmoSaru . I know first hand how much work maintaining this can be

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What's Entrance Randomizer ? Sorry for the noobness

Entrance randomizer is a type of randomizer seed where the entrances on the overworld all lead to different places than normal

22:14

Some randomizers, like LADXR and Z1R, are always entrance randomizers

Ohh I think beta quest is one?

I think so, although I haven’t played it

Alright, well, as much as I think I might be good at QA, that's not something I see myself doing lol

22:21

Thanks for the great work btw, save feature is a godsend for some of us :D

sorry may be a stupid question and might be said elsewhere but i just didnt see it on the key-sanity tracker for small keys if its green does that mean ive collected all the small keys for that dungeon?

Yes.

thank you i thought that was the case just wanted to make sure i wasnt missing somthing else with it

On the tracker (ALTTP) the tracker shows chests for a dungeon. Does this include all chests or just the number of items available (i.e. Not counting chests with keys etc.)

The LttP tracking paradigm has been to list the number of unique items obtainable in that dungeon; that is to say, all items excluding chested keys, Big Keys, maps, and compasses.

ahh thanks

It should be noted that this is is different for the keysanity variant. When you're playing keysanity, there's no way for the tracker to know where the dungeon items are, so it lists the total number of chests in the dungeon instead.

@PhntmBlackIce in regular LTTPR its helpful to know if you've gotten all the "useful" items in a dungeon. so if the dungeon has 6 chests, but only 3 items, and you get those 3 items in the first three chests plus the big key, you can skip everything else

hey everyone! So im using the tracker for ocarina of time but how can i get it for wind waker because it says i need a package? the only installed one is ocarina of time

nvm found it

General question about the tracker; at some locations, there is a dotted box next to the chest, what is the purpose of that?

09:29

Image attachment

that feature is called capture you will notice that the location itself is colored blue, meaning you can see it (or get information about it) but not actually get it so the box allows you to remember an item in there and once you clear the location (via right click or opening the chest) the item automatically gets added to your tracked items

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Ah, okay. That's good to know.

09:35

Now that I understand what the blue locations are, what about yellow and orange? I am assuming it has something to do with item requirements?

yes, yellow is for can be reached with a sequence break and orange just means some sections can be reached, others (maybe) not

09:39

this is also explained in #faq

09:39

and a way to customize the colors in case you need it (colorblindness or similar) or want it

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Thanks!

hello sorry have a question im clearing skull woods on key-sanity and the trackers only lists 6 chests and mothula but double checking there are 7 chests in total in Skull woods is one of them redudndant?

One of the chests is always guaranteed to have a Skull Woods small key so you don't get trapped. (edited)

oh the one in the room with all the mummies and bumpers and spikes

Yep. That's the one.

12:43

Since it's always the same, Emo decided not to include it in her pack.

ok thanks for the info on that

how many chests are there in frontside of skull woods, lttp? (edited)

13:50

theres 6, right? (edited)

3 + big chest in front. 1 in the center section. 1 + boss item in the back blocked by fire rod.

plus the chest in pinball room which is small key

13:55

so if you count the 3 + big + pinball + vanilla big key you get 6 chests that you don't need fire rod for

i was asking to check if there was a bug, but theres not, skull has a guaranteed key chest, so theres actually only 5 item-chests on frontside. i didnt know the guaranteed key was a thing so i thought it might be a typo on the tracker

Another general question, more towards the dungeons, for example, Palace of Darkness shows 5 chests. Do those 5 chests include the chests that have the map, big key, and compass?

thats the normal rando tracker right?

Yeah.

nope

16:17

the 5 chests are item chests

16:17

so no keys, or dungeon items

16:17

only actual items

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so f.ex, take eastern palace, if EP is a pendant, you can leave the moment you get 3 items (edited)

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Ah, okay. The first time I played and used the tracker, I didn't realize that I had opened more chests than what the tracker showed right away. Once I did, I was very confused. But that makes tons more sense now.

cus 3/6 chests in EP, are the compass, map & bigkey

16:18

the other 3 is the "bow" bigchest, "heart container" from boss and "some currency" in the entrance room (edited)

16:19

yea, it can be confusing

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and ESPECIALLY confusing if you lose track of how many items youve collected

16:21

PoD has, 14 chests in totalk, 6 smallkeys, 3 dungeon items, and 5 items

16:26

speaking of the randomizer

16:26

i just had a pretty horrible seed

16:26

hookshot in mire, ocarina in bonkable chest

Particularly the thinking here is that once the counter reaches zero, the remaining chests in the dungeon will be just keys, maps and compasses. That way you know that you're good to just head to the boss or leave the dungeon without worrying about anything else.

Does the tracker allow for open mode? If so, how?

are there any trackers that are only made for standard mode?

ooh oos map tracker

07:10

i'm gonna attempt a few runs of oos randomizer so i will provide feedback on that

All I'm seeing is the option for standard mode in ALttP with location and map tracker. Can this be changed to open mode somehow?

08:07

Err, location and item tracker

The standard tracker works just fine for open mode.

Standard and open are logically identical. The only difference is the forced escape start.

Good to know. Thanks for clarifying.

Just installed it but there is no item location for dark world and a lot of light world is missing.

By default the tracker is only showing you what you have access to.

19:50

You can press F11 to see all locations, but in general the default mode is more efficient to use during runs.

Ho makes sense

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Thx

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Great thing you made. I don't have the memory to remember all of ALTTP but for some reason SM is not a problem. Anyway, thx again for making this

youll remember with time

Location trackers are learning aids. Or, in the case of some of the longest games (Wind Waker anyone?) almost a necessity.

SM is gna be a nightmare for me when i start diving into SMALttP

Now that save/load is in, they also serve as a comprehensive checklist for the most casual rando players.

the maptracker is literally a multi-level learning tool, cus it teaches you about routing too

So since it is looking like there will be a hint system added in ALTTPR, is there plans for emotracker to have a package that has 'Visible item' box for every location?

I really, really, really don't want to do that

13:47

TBH, I think that makes more sense for a 4-6 hour game

13:47

I don't want to make the LTTP tracker less usable for racers

The alternative to the horrendously open-ended hint system you're implying LttPR is getting would be to attach location hints to the items in that case.

Yeah, that's a much larger change, and weird in other ways.

13:48

It's potentially benefited by work on entrance shuffle.

13:48

Maybe.

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TBD.

13:48

But still

13:49

I think LTTPR is insanely manageable without the OOTR hint system

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And frankly, I'm kinda annoyed that they're being added the way they are

13:49

I think it's a bad game design decision

Nothing in LttPR is out of the way or constantly forgotten or an annoying check, except for Sahasralha's item, the tablets, and the pedestal.

13:50

And maybe the mushroom for the witch.

13:50

And the tablets and pedestal already can be checked

LTTP has a clear funnel in place, and there are no equivalents to e.g. skulltulas

13:50

Frankly, the only reason I think hints are reasonable in OOTR is because of checks like skulltulas which would otherwise take an inordinate amount of time.

13:51

LTTP has none of that

The single most egregious check in LttP is the pedestal, due to having to clear three extra dungeons; it already has a hint mechanic, so yeah.

I know this is not the right location for this but in what file can you add the 'Visible item' boxes (in your big package for example)? You can answer in customization support if you'd like

Everything else is quick and easy and checked as part of the natural progression of the game.

It's a property of the locations.

13:53

Specifically a section within a location.

ok. That probably will be enough if I intend to add that to all locations

You will need to do a lot more than that

13:54

It's a base accessibility change for EVERYTHING

13:54

Because every location needs to be reachable in order to be inspectable

13:54

So you have to migrate accessibility requirements into the sections

How about if you use 'Always allow manipulation'?

That's... not even related?

That technically works, maybe, but it also means that hintable locations still show up red at all times, never blue, and you have to run with F11 on at all times

13:55

Which, frankly, sucks

Always allow chest manipulation is an end-user function for marking locations as checked if you know for certain they're bupkis

Well I always run with F11 so it doesn't bother me at all

i suspect there will be a very large number of hintable locations

I toyed with doing that briefly when playing co-op.

13:56

It wasn't worth the effort.

I have much better solutions coming for co-op in the future

Networked trackers when :o

When I say they're done

Obviously the only sensible solution for co-op.

It will be worth the wait. I'm probably more excited about that than anything else I have planned, by at least 5x. (edited)

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ok. I found the "easy" way to add the capture box to locations. Just have to do it manually

14:06

which of course sucks but is quite simple

emotracker is not a virus, right?

evraeeAww

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definitely not

16:02

it's unsigned because $$$

If Emotracker is a virus, then I don't wanna be clean

what is the keysanity option for emotracker

in LTTP? it maps to the keysanity mode of the LTTPR, and so it includes keys and key requirements

in relation to the ongoing discussion; what about item icons on the maptracker. f.ex, each dungeon "icon", also shows the crystal/pendant. checkable items could do the same thing

There are maps/parts of maps for which that doesn’t currently work due to density and/or layout options that make it unreadable. It’s something I’ve considered.

where i can leave my opinions about the trackers?

10:24

is here good enough?

Here if they're just opinions I guess, but #suggestions if they're actually suggested changes

all right

an example;

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I’ve considered that, but it does not cover all the cases I would need to support. So I rejected it, and continue to do so.

what cases does that include, f.ex? (edited)

Locations that potentially provide multiple items that would need to be displayed there

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For one

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Because again, the only point at which any of this becomes justifiable is with inspectable or hintable locations

16:01

And eventually, co-op

@Herreteman something's up with the Dragon Key and the Spring Banana, it will never let me access them even if i have literally every item...

16:54

would have saved me a lot of time to get that seed satchel earlier...

also this is not pack support oops

whats th e go button on the emo track for lttp

20:34

gannon online?

no go as in run

20:40

meaning you have everything to finish the game and can just dungeon rush

thats what i thought, but now that i beat all dungeons, it wont come on?

its not automatic

so i have to know when to turn it on?

yeah or you just ignore it or remove it from your pack ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

ah that was what i was about to ask about actually

I don't actually have any plans to do this, but if one was to reimplement emotracker for another platform, would that be okay?

PingThink

No, and one would certainly be barred from accessing my network services (amongst other things) if they did such a thing, along with facing any legal challenges that arose. (edited)

10:30

If multi-platform support ever becomes justifiable from a cost standpoint, you will see me partner with somebody to do it in a first-class supported way. (edited)

Wait, I just noticed something in #pack-announcements ....there's an Oracle of Seasons rando?

Ye

geseiiYay

I still want to see the full engine-faithful remake.

HIHI

22:15

is there a source from witch its able to build for mac osx or has one of you awesome dude´s did it already?

No, the tracker is for Windows only.

okay too bad im at my gf´s place and can only use her macbook

i will try it with wine

:O I need that in my life ASAP

Oh man that OoS rando was awesome!

Is there a way to undo a check on the map tracker, kind of sucks when you accidently close one off.

F11 ive heard brings all the spots up

That is also not useful

ok sorry i mentioned it

20:52

good luck

its really all or nothing then eh

yeah, uh, that's very useful

There's no undo function. The only way is to press F11 to show all locations, then pin the one you want to undo and right click the chest

oh

20:54

wait

20:54

it brings them up as makes them visible

20:54

Sorry

Yeah

I thought it unchecks them

20:54

I retract my previous statement then

20:55

Thanks guys

okay i have a question related to one of the checks in one of the packs for OOT randomizer. Would that be best to ask the question somewhere in this discord or in OOTR server?

If you need the details on accessing a specific check with whatever items you have marked off, that goes in the OoTR discord.

19:43

If it comes about that you've discovered a bug in the tracker package itself, ping the author in #pack-support

19:45

Not that I don't have the answer, like, burned into my head or anything (I do), but you'll definitely get better support for accessing specific locations over there than over here. (edited)

yeah i figured. its not necessarily accessing specific locations though...its one location seems to have a chest that i have no idea what it is meaning?

If you'd rather just ask here, #off-topic is best suited

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Ah

19:46

A named location

yeah. like not about gameplay accessing, but specifically what it means

You can ask about that one in #pack-support but do not necessarily need to ping the author (just name them) unless it's something that ought to be clarified, like, massively clarified (edited)

nah i doubt it, i am sure its just from me being so new

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i just wasn't exactly sure what it meant

Location and name, hit me.

oh like here

19:48

?

Like just ask the question, I'm here and can answer it

19:49

Future questions of the sort can go to the OoTR discord (for accessing locations) or you can ask about naming there or in #pack-support (where it's more likely to be assessed as a possible naming issue)

ice cavern 2 (+2) items chest

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Hamsda pack

Ice Cavern has two unique items in it in vanilla OoT, plus one song location and three Gold Skulltulas. There are four item-pool locations in Ice Cavern: Map, Compass, Iron Boots, and Freestanding PoH.

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The (+2) is the number of extra checks you gain in the dungeon if you turn off placing maps/compasses or shuffle them into the global item pool Keysanity-style.

19:51

If you do not shuffle maps/compasses into the global pool slash remove them entirely,

19:51

then there are only two unique items to be obtained in Ice Cavern, plus one song and three gold skulltula tokens

19:51

the other two item locations will contain the map and compass for Ice Cavern.

okay. i was confused since i still had all of the check locations in Ice Cavern on the tracker (edited)

19:52

the 4 plus the song plus the 2(+2) check

19:52

Which particular variant are you on? I kind of want to see that for myself.

Hamsda Map and Item/Regular

19:53

very possible i didn't configure settings right

Checking.

19:54

Hmmmm.

19:54

I'm gonna bump this to #pack-support actually because tbh that's kind of an interesting thing to be seeing and I'm not sure it's not redundant

yeah cause the location stays open unless you select 2(+2) additionally

Like... that looks like a leftover from something else.

and makes it seem like theres an unchecked location

19:55

cool, thank you

basically yeah I'd file that one under a tracker issue, thanks for bringing it up

19:58

don't worry about it for now, go ahead and set that to the maximum check of 4 and carry on

yeah cool. sounds good.

20:01

i am pretty new to the game, so i wasn't completely sure, i actually am using the checklist in addition and knew there were only the 4 checks but still wanted to make sure i didn't miss anything

Hey, do it enough and you'll be able to crank out a full 3-sanity or worse run without the map tracker.

20:02

Learning is part of the experience.

yeah definitely! i'm enjoying it so thats all that matters to me

Just... never leave home without your key tracker if you're running Keysanity. Hell, use the Keysanity variant anyway, it's helpful.

20:04

It will tell you how deep you can get into any given location with the number of keys you've found.

oh dang, thats awesome

20:04

next seed this is my plan

The normal variant just tells you "yeah, you can reach everything" without caring about keys

20:05

but if you use the Keysanity variant and tick off keys as you collect them, even if you're not playing keysanity

20:05

it will tell you which chests you can reach

yeah i was like...okay i ahve some keys but where can i go....

20:05

thats pretty cool. i didn't think about that

the announcement notification from yesterday wont go away on my mobile discord omg

Yeah, she really wants you to see it

11:52

More seriously yeah sometimes mobile discord does that. I've had mediocre success with force killing the app and reopening it

Ugh. Last time I had that happen, I ended up reinstalling the app to get rid of it.

Stupid discord being a jerk

Discord is spooky. Sometimes it puts unread-message notifications in channels with no new messages.

14:36

maybe someone sent something then deleted it?

What's this I see in #pack-announcements about a Metroid Prime rando

It's pretty dang fun, but being a metroid game in 3d it gets confusing

21:32

Which is why i made a tracker, and it was also one of the hardest things to overcome when i was making it

21:33

I used the actual models ripped from the game for all the items except the artifacts, so I got to learn a bit about 3d modelling

are there any plans for a map-style tracker for Prime 2: Echoes? I'm doing 100% runs on the Trilogy, full completion being the goal, and it seems like there's just as few trackers for echoes as there are for prime, so thought i'd ask here.

I may consider doing one in the future if the randomizer becomes easier to use

17:36

Right now though it requires a separate winnable seed generator and I'm trying to focus on updating my other trackers

would be pretty awesome, but i understand with that. i gather the logic for winnable seeds is still a little shakey around the edges. makes sense, 3D games require better logic i'd imagine (not a programmer, but i'm generally good at intuition). once the groundwork for that is in place i imagine we'll see interest rise ^_^

Not so much that the logic is more complex, but that the gamecube hasn't been able to be emulated well until recently

mmmm, true. Dolphin and Wii-U with nintendon't..........that being said, from what i've seen, 64 still needs a lot of work too......but, ah well.....still, having a tracker for prime is awesome enough as is ^^ good luck with your other trackers ^_^

pieMug

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Oh man there's a Prime 2 rando too?

Yes, but its like the MM randomizer where there's no logic to where the items go. It does have a winnable seed generator but I don't know how good the logic is

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Even with the MP1 logic I've found a couple of issues

So it's even further back in development than MP1 is

MM randomizer? Majora's Mask?

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